CDRW - Not burning properly

[NaiDanac]

Everytime I burn music (music CD), I have problems with small files. All files that I burn that are around 3 minutes get cut off at the end by 3 to 5 seconds.

It's really annoying!

What am I doing wrong? I tried burning at 52x as well as 4x and I still get the cut off at the end (but only for small music files)!

I have a lite-on 52/24/52 CDRW. I'm using Roxio 5 to burn (not Nero which came with the product).

Thanks

NaiDanac

 

[Xemus]

Check the settings in Roxio. There should be a lead in lead out setting that enables you to set effects for the beginning and end of the song.

http://www.closedsocket.com

 

[chris6976]

Use Nero?!

 

[cdogg]

Use Nero?!

People have their preference, but there should be no reason why a basic task like burning a music CD shouldn't work properly in either app.


NaiDanac,

Before you try Nero...

I haven't seen this problem in a long time, but in the past it has generally been due to the burner not receiving data fast enough from the source. If you are going from CD to CD, try copying the song as WAV to hard drive first. Then burn from WAV to CD. If the same problem occurs, post back. If doesn't, then you need to adjust the configuration of your CDROM and CD burner (separate them - do not place on the same IDE channel).


~cdogg
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[NaiDanac]

Thanks guys for the advice.

I didn't think I had lead in/out setting on Roxio CD Creator 5.0, but I'll double check.

I have Nero, but I kinda liked Roxio. I'll switch if that solves the problem, but I'm afraid it may not!!

cdogg: I'm actually burning form the hard disk to the burner. It's going from mp3 to cda. Will I need to convert them to WAV??? I tried slowing down the burning from 52x to 4x and I got the same exact problem. It may not be a speed issue!!

Thanks again

 

[temporello]

I think that you should convert the mp3s to wav first and burn those.

 

[cdogg]

Yes, make the conversion just for the heck of it to see if it makes a difference. It does seem odd though that it only occurs with short songs around 3 minutes, and doesn't affect longer ones.

It would help to know:
1) Lite-On model number
2) version of Windows (incl any service packs)
3) IDE configuration (what devices are on each channel)


~cdogg
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[NaiDanac]

Lite-on: CDRW 522446S
OS: Windows 2000 (not sure about latest sp)
IDE Config: IDE0 HD1/HD2
IDE1 CDRW/CD

Would I have to upgrade firmware on the CDRW??? Probably not! I'll also try the WAV conversion, but I hope that that is not the problem. I don't want to go around converting a whole bunch of files just to be able to burn them in audio format.

cdogg: It only happens on small files. Bigger files are ok.

 

[cdogg]

cdogg: It only happens on small files. Bigger files are ok.

NaiDanac,
Yes, I realize that as I stated in my last post. That indeed makes this problem a bit strange. Because it does not affect longer songs, I would suspect that it's either a software setting, software conflict in Windows, or perhaps the firmware on the burner.

Before you go messing with any of those, however, it is best to try the conversion to WAV or even Nero first. Let us know what you find...



~cdogg
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[BadBigBen]

I would suggest, that you 1.) update ROXIO and 2.) install, if you don't have them already, Adaptec's ASPI Layers/Drivers...

because it sounds like a buffer problem, not burnspeed... might wanna set your Windows Buffers higher...

Ben

 

[NaiDanac]

BadBigBen:

1. What are the ASPI layers/drivers???
2. How do I set the windows buffer?

 

[cdogg]

For an explanation and location of ASPI drivers, go here:

http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~aa571/aspi.htm

As for the buffer issue, I've pretty much assumed that buffer and burnspeed go hand-in-hand. If it's not one, then it's likely not the other. The point of the buffer is to feed the burner when the source slows down. But at 4x burnspeeds, the buffer itself shouldn't be a factor. Since you've already tried that speed, it's likely something else.

Here's the order in which I would troubleshoot this issue:
1) Make the conversion to WAV for two short songs and burn them to a CDRW (so you can just simply erase it later and not waste a disc)
2) Update Roxio (

http://www.roxio.com/en/support/ecdc/software_updatesv5.jhtml)

3) Try Nero
4) Install all critical updates for Windows 2000
5) Try detaching the CDROM drive temporarily leaving the burner all be itself on IDE1
6) Update the firmware in the Lite-On


~cdogg
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[NaiDanac]

cdogg:
Tried 1 and 2 and still having the problem. I did notice that when I burn from mp3, there is about a 1 sec. additional cut off from burning from WAV.

Nero: I tried installing it, but it kept giving me Out of Memory error! I think I'll skip this one!

I also did 6, and that didn't help.

I will try 4 then 5 next. I'm assuming 4 is:

http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~aa571/aspi.htm

Can you give me more info on the site above!

 

[cdogg]

For ASPI, first thing you want to do is run this:
ftp://ftp.adaptec.com/software_pc/aspi/aspichk.exe

which is is explained here:

http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~aa571/aspi.htm#drivers

Typically, ASPI drivers aren't needed in NT systems because SPT1 (SCSI Pass-Through Driver) which comes with Windows NT/2K/XP is often used instead. Therefore, most burners and burning software like Roxio's and Nero's usually don't depend on the ASPI layer. I doubt that installing the latest Adaptec ASPI driver will do you much good, but it can't hurt. Get the latest from here:

http://download.adaptec.com/software_pc/aspi/aspi_v472.exe

What I meant by Step 4 was to go to the Windows Update site (in IE it's "Tools -> Windows Update"), run a scan, and make sure you have all critical updates installed.


As for problems in Nero, I suspect that it might have something to do with Roxio being installed. Try uninstalling Roxio first if you decide to go back to that step.

 

[BadBigBen]

Thnx cdogg, you've answered the question directed at me, very nicely I might add...

and you are right about the NT environment as to the ASPI layers, but I've found that since I installed them, my burning of CD's has gone without a hitch since... Nero has built in ASPI layers and uses them... other software like ClonyXXl or ExactAudioCopy don't function correctly if the ASPI layers from ADAPTEC aren't installed, even on an NT environment that's why the mentioned install of them...

as to the buffer question, well yes the buffer is there to make sure that the information fed to the burner is at a constant speed and shouldn't be the problem here, since you can burn large files without a hitch...

Ben

PS - for the windows buffer I use a Tweaker program to do that, since at this moment I am not to sure where this is located at in XP (I am using unfortunately a German Version and am not to sure about the translation and exact location as to where it is at...)

 

[NaiDanac]

Update:

Ran the aspichk.exe utill and get the following:

Component Version Date Size
---------------------------------------
WNASPI32.DLL 4.70(0) 12/10/1 45568
WINASPI.DLL 4.60 (1021) 12/10/1 5600
ASPI32.SYS 4.70(0) 12/10/1 17101
WOWPOST.EXE 4.60(1021) 12/10/1 4672

ASPI is not properly installed. One or more components have been replaced with older versions of the software.

I also ran the aspi_v470.exe util and it said that it updated the drivers correctly! When I run the ASPICHK.EXE that came with it, I get similar values as above.

But I'm still having the burning problem. I tried burning with even smaller files (17 seconds), and 5 seconds from the end are cut off. I was burning at 4X.

Any ideas guys????

 

[BadBigBen]

On XP you have to run the REG_XP.EXE after install...

the latest version I have is ASPI_V472a2.exe...

Question I have, after rereading the Posts, how much mem do you have installed, basically what are your specs on the PC... NERO bonking out because of 'Not enough MEM????' shouldn't be doing that...

Ben

 

[cdogg]

After re-reading sources on the net (including the main one I linked to earlier), it appears that installing Adaptec's ASPI drivers in XP is heavily not recommended. They were never written for anything other than Win95/98/NT. For some people it works fine in ME/2K/XP, but for others it just causes more problems. Therefore, I'm going to conclude that it is not necessary for your burner to work properly in XP.

With that said, Ahead makes custom ASPI drivers for their Nero product. But since you are not using Nero, that doesn't matter. This information is in that ASPI article I posted on March 30th. Also in that article is information on how to set the Registry keys manually if you're having "trouble".

At this point, I would first look for updated firmware for your burner and install it. If it doesn't help after rebooting, then remove all burning apps and only reinstall one of them (Nero or Roxio). If one doesn't work, remove it, reboot, and reinstall the other.

Good Luck!

 

[NaiDanac]

I'm running W2K.

256 MB RAM
AMD Athlon XP 1800+


I uninstalled Nero, before downloading the ASPI drivers. Should I assume that Nero completely uninstalled without leaving anything lying around!

The only thing left for me to try is to physically uninstall the CD and only leave the CDRW and see if that helps.

NaiDanac

 

[cdogg]

Even though you uninstalled Nero, you didn't uninstall and reinstall Roxio. Any conflict that may have risen between the two can easily be solved by starting from scratch.

Yes, if the reinstall of Roxio and applying its updates doesn't help, then try disconnecting the CD-ROM. Also make sure you have SP4 installed with all the latest critical updates for Win2K.

In the end, it just might be an unresolvable conflict between the burner itself and another device in your system. I'm not sure how much more time I would waste on it, considering you could probably sell it for half what you paid and buy a brand-spankin new one for under $60 (Lite-On is getting pretty cheap).


~cdogg
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