Xp sp2 constanlty shutting down! 2

[pechenegs]

hi all, i have a recent prob with my computer. It has suddenly started to shut down on it's own accord! It's a Xp SP2 rig.

when it shuts down usually after half an hour, if you reboot it, it starts up as normal but as it gets to windows is starting up it jumps to windows is shutting down befire you get to the log on box!

If left alone for hours it boots up ok, then after a ahalf an hour shuts down and does the same again.

I have checked event viewer and nothing in htere what so ever!

this is my main specs using Aida 32 below, i have as now kept the side panel off, I had cleaned the computer out yesterday, the computer had did this a few times before over the last year or so, but had never constantly repeated this as it is doing now! The fan has been mkaing some noisies for a while noe but had corrected itself, many fans two in the PSU!


Any ideas, anyone?


Multi CPU
Motherboard ID OEM00000 PROD00000000
CPU #0 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+, 2199 MHz
CPU #1 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+, 2199 MHz


Motherboard Properties
Motherboard ID 08/30/2006-K8M890-8237-6A7L5FKHC-00
Motherboard Name Unknown

Front Side Bus Properties
Bus Type AMD Hammer
Real Clock 200 MHz
Effective Clock 200 MHz


Memory Module Properties
Module Name RM12864AA667.8FE
Serial Number 870AACE0h
Module Type Unbuffered
Memory Type DDR2 SDRAM
Module Width 64 bit
Module Voltage SSTL 1.8
Error Detection Method None
Refresh Rate Reduced (7.8 us)
Highest CAS Latency 5.0 (3.0 ns @ 333 MHz)
2nd Highest CAS Latency 4.0 (3.75 ns @ 266 MHz)



Video Adapter Properties
Device Description VIA/S3G DeltaChrome IGP
Adapter String VIA/S3G DeltaChrome IGP
BIOS String 98.80.00.12
Chip Type VIA/S3G DeltaChrome IGP
DAC Type Internal
Installed Drivers S3gIGP (6.14.10.0038-15.13.10.08)
Memory Size 64 MB

Video Adapter Manufacturer
Company Name S3 Graphics
Product Information

http://www.s3graphics.com

Driver Download

http://www.s3graphics.com/DRVVIEW.HTM

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[firewolfrl]

what pechenegs has is pure CPU overheat...he is at the 90% percent mark on the CPU temp charts at idle.

I think because I'm a heavy pc user that eventually the depreciation of the hardware is inevitable!

what you need to do is actually do something on that CPU
either replace the cooler or try artic silver to see if the temps drop

http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=574&name=CPU-Fans-Heatsinks

pick the cpu mounting method and choose the fan you want

eventually the computer will not boot one day and the cpu will be fried

for a temporary time while waiting ....aim a house fan at the cpu and see if that drops the temps and it runs stable

I have used the house fan trick before and it works great

 

[kjv1611]

Yeah, the desktop/table-top fan being pointed at a computer has worked on computers that I'm personally aware of for a good 20 or 30 years!

I'm not old enough to have tried that far back, but my dad had "fixed" a failing computer at his place of employment back before Windows 3.1 came out! That's ancient!

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[pechenegs]

guys, what about the two fans in the PSU, they are so close together they might be conflicting, it appears to me the internal one might not be doing that much?

however I doubt that! I still think myself it's the CPU overheating.

Yesterday, however after the rig had being on for 4-5 hours the fan thing i used reported one fan at 56C and the core temp at the same or higher, way up from earlier from first reboot!

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[pechenegs]

ok, if I try what firewolfrl says and replace the thermal paste or artic paste, I take it I would have to remove the CPU from the mobo and reseal it?

I take it this is easy to do? I have read that touching the CPU can damage it and CPUs are very sensitive?

I only ask for clarification on this as i'm not a hardware person, never assembled a pc, certainly not a CPU, can easily follow instructions like installing drives, memory sticks etc!

advise lol!

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[pechenegs]

Ah, some more info, might be important. The shutdowns at present are different from the first times it happened. Even after buying this rig about 2 years ago, it did a few times within the first weeks sudenly shut down, that is, it just shut down!

These times, past few days, it starts shutting down windows- pages-IE -mozilla etc, one by one, but fast, but even last night when it did it again, it still gave me a po up box to save what I was downloading and when I checked this- this morning, it saved the whole doc and then shut down, you even get the box windows is shutting down!

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[kjv1611]

You don't necessarily have to remove the CPU, though that's easiest for cleaning it.

Basically all you do per CPU is this:
[OL][LI]Remove fan and heatsink from CPU - will be done via screws and/or clips[/LI]
[LI]Pull out the CPU - probably safest/easiest to work with - separate from the motherboard. To do this, you have to move the lever/arm which locks the CPU in place before pulling it - otherwise, you could damage the CPU.[/LI]
[LI]Once the CPU is out, use rubbing alcohol (not with any sort of oil in it) or similar if you have somethin better with a paper towel or towel to get the CPU as shiny clean as you can - in other words, no thermal paste remaining.[/LI]
[LI]Then replace the CPU, and follow instructions for your specific CPU type from the thermal paste manufacturer. The amount you use should be VERY little - a VERY thin layer if it looks too thin, and is something like Artic Silver, then it's probably right. [/LI]
[LI]Do NOT attempt to spread out the paste - let the pressure from the heatsink do that. With most CPUs, you'll want the goup in the middle, as that's where the CPU die is - but to be sure, check out the paste's directions.[/LI]
[LI]Artic Silver, as already mentioned, is one of the most available ones that is generally a very good paste, though I've read of others actually testing out much better - I've primarily used artic silver myself.[/LI]
[LI]Before you place the heatsink on top of the CPU, make sure the CPU is back in place, and locked again with the CPU retainer bar. You'll also want to make sure you have lined up the CPU correctly. Installing the CPU does not require practically any pressure; or should not. The arm might take a LITTLE pressure, depending upon the motherboatd.. placing the heatsink and fan may take more pressure - just depends, but none should take a heap of pressure.[/LI]
[LI]Depending upon the model of CPU, you may have pins to deal with - I don't remember if the X2 CPUs have pins, or if they're like the Core 2 Duos.... Ahh, was nice not dealing with pins! If you have pins on the CPU, that's the most sensitive part - just try to not get them bent is all.[/LI]
[LI]MAKE SURE you have plugged up your CPU fan when finished.[/LI]
[LI]If you have smaller - say 60MM - fans on your CPUs, and can fit larger, you might ought to consider a larger heatsink/fan combo for each CPU at the least.[/LI]
[LI]If you mess up, cry like a baby, and go find replacement CPUs... or go into a rage, and kick your tower around the yard, destroying the reamaining components, and then go to the hospital with purty good wounds to your shins and feet.[/LI][/ol]

Well, maybe getting a little off track. If you got Artic Silver, they have full color illustrations with written instructions on their website for each CPU type they are quoted as being compatible with. It's rather nice that way.

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[kjv1611]

Also, once all that's done make sure you have sufficient air flow throughout the case, and it's not being blocked by a clump of wires or anything. IDE cables can be bad for this on occasion.

And I've seen myself, as well as read, of cases where actually removing a fan or two HELPED temps. The reason is that if the fans are trying to move the air at diff speeds, then it's possible you're creating a vacuum to some extent, or either causing turbulence in the air.

Of course for testing airflow, you could test with some sort of smoke - maybe liquid smoke I imagine. Or you could just run for a while in one configuration, testing temps, and then run for a while in a diff configuration, testing temps (all from BIOS should be fine), and just see how it goes.

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[BadBigBen]

Ah, some more info, might be important.

Take a look at the PWR SWITCH... to test, either remove the PWR Switch and bridge the pins with a screw driver, or by switching the PWR button with the RESET button and then start the PC with the RESET button... and then test to see how it behaves...


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[firewolfrl]

are you by chance running the FOX ONE utility to monitor the motherboard? the FOX ONE could be causing issues.
You do have an overheat issue but we have zeroed in fairly extensively
But, Alas...we are not looking out beyond hardware.
Run Malwarebytes

http://download.cnet.com/Malwarebytes-Anti-Malware/3000-8022_4-10804572.html

then
go to the windows update site and download all the critical updates from there


have you updated any drivers lately?
some of the microsoft drivers are screwy from the update site...try just the manufacturer drivers