Xp sp2 constanlty shutting down! 2

[pechenegs]

hi all, i have a recent prob with my computer. It has suddenly started to shut down on it's own accord! It's a Xp SP2 rig.

when it shuts down usually after half an hour, if you reboot it, it starts up as normal but as it gets to windows is starting up it jumps to windows is shutting down befire you get to the log on box!

If left alone for hours it boots up ok, then after a ahalf an hour shuts down and does the same again.

I have checked event viewer and nothing in htere what so ever!

this is my main specs using Aida 32 below, i have as now kept the side panel off, I had cleaned the computer out yesterday, the computer had did this a few times before over the last year or so, but had never constantly repeated this as it is doing now! The fan has been mkaing some noisies for a while noe but had corrected itself, many fans two in the PSU!


Any ideas, anyone?


Multi CPU
Motherboard ID OEM00000 PROD00000000
CPU #0 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+, 2199 MHz
CPU #1 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+, 2199 MHz


Motherboard Properties
Motherboard ID 08/30/2006-K8M890-8237-6A7L5FKHC-00
Motherboard Name Unknown

Front Side Bus Properties
Bus Type AMD Hammer
Real Clock 200 MHz
Effective Clock 200 MHz


Memory Module Properties
Module Name RM12864AA667.8FE
Serial Number 870AACE0h
Module Type Unbuffered
Memory Type DDR2 SDRAM
Module Width 64 bit
Module Voltage SSTL 1.8
Error Detection Method None
Refresh Rate Reduced (7.8 us)
Highest CAS Latency 5.0 (3.0 ns @ 333 MHz)
2nd Highest CAS Latency 4.0 (3.75 ns @ 266 MHz)



Video Adapter Properties
Device Description VIA/S3G DeltaChrome IGP
Adapter String VIA/S3G DeltaChrome IGP
BIOS String 98.80.00.12
Chip Type VIA/S3G DeltaChrome IGP
DAC Type Internal
Installed Drivers S3gIGP (6.14.10.0038-15.13.10.08)
Memory Size 64 MB

Video Adapter Manufacturer
Company Name S3 Graphics
Product Information

http://www.s3graphics.com

Driver Download

http://www.s3graphics.com/DRVVIEW.HTM

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[firewolfrl]

run core temp and either post a screen shot or just type the temps it is reading

http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/

hot CPU will shut it down

alsow check the temp in the BIOS and see if it is getting hot before boot

 

[BadBigBen]

Hey, long time no see, hope all is fine on your end Pechenegs?!

While I agree that it probably is temp related, I disagree that the CPU's are the problem...

my bet is the PSU, reason is the time period, which gives the PSU time to COOL down...

if it was the CPU's, the shutdowns also would happen after the hour or so wait period...

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[pechenegs]

cheers guys for the quick repsonses!

howdy bigbadben, hope your are keeping well!

Ran the tool by firewolfrl, do I post the log it makes, excuse my ignorance, i'll post it anyway.

the temp reads as present red 54- 55, blue 57-58.

how do i post the results, or take a screen shot of the firewolfrl's tool. thisis so bad and i should remember this!

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[pechenegs]

ok guys a wee bit more info! As of tonight, compuer on now for an hour, side panel off, so ok so far.

What i meant earlier was, i cleaned the computer out yesterday, before probs started! fans bogging, " I mean by that very dirty", some fans not so bad surprisingly, especially the PSU, which has two fans, never seen that before, internally the PSu was quite dirty, but the fans had dust but not that much!

I think it is overheating too, but what, CPU or PSU?

cheers all!

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[firewolfrl]

hey I figure it can't hurt to check the CPU temps...especially with a free program...lol
you have to rule out the CPU so you can really look well at the PSU

 

[pechenegs]

Yes I agree, but what do you mean by that?

It can still be either? Had this prob before and it's a bitch to solve lol!

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[BadBigBen]

Pechenegs, am doing fine...

I am still leaning on the PSU, instead of the CPU overheating, especially with those TEMP readings being below 60 degrees...

computer on now for an hour, side panel off, so ok so far.

more air getting to the components, meaning better cooling even for the PSU...

can't hurt to check the FAN sensors in the BIOS, or even set the CPU FANs to blow at full speed...

darn it, I am not that familiar with the Foxconn K8M890 mainboards, but there should be a BIOS setting under PC HEALTH STATUS that has a SHUTDOWN TEMPERATURE menu, check it and see what it is set at... also disable the SMART FAN CONTROL if you have it set...






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[firewolfrl]

ok this is celsius and that converts to 136.4 F
AMD 64 dual cores have issues at 60 c
so if this is at rest with the system not loading up its going to run hot doing anything
the max temp for the CPU that pechenegs has is
Athlon 64 X2 (dual core) 65°C

http://www.heatsink-guide.com/content.php?content=maxtemp.shtml

some sites say 70°C

so he is almost at the limit of the CPU temp and that does create stability issues

I have had issues with temps with some boards and fixed the issue with bigger heatsinks or I cleaned and reapplied artic silver (very thin) sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't
so for now I am sticking to my guns and saying HOT CPU

 

[BadBigBen]

Firewolf - I agree that it is a good idea to redo the heatsink paste... as over time this stuff does become hard and the thermal transfer is hampered, and it can't hurt that is for sure...

oh, there is a reclaimer on the website:

Last update: December, 2004. Future CPU models (even if they are marketed under the same name/with the same MHz) as the CPUs mentioned here may have different thermal specifications.

There are three different versions of the X2 4200+ and the thermal range on all three is between 55 and 72 degrees Celsius...

see:

http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUSideBySide.aspx?id=57&id=58&id=59

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[pechenegs]

ok guys cheers for that! I had this isssue before with another rig and it ran ok for nearly a year with the side panel off, then one day I cleaned it out again, put the side panel back on and computer and it was fried within a week. So, I'm keeping the panel off lol.

Last night stayed up to 1am so the computer was on for about 2-3 hours so it definelty is a heating issue!

I'll run a few tests again, Speed fan has the Temps from Fan I, 2, 3 at 34, 39, 25, Approx, Hds 26 , 28, core temp 40-41.

Core temp: 35-38 40-44

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[pechenegs]

just a wee update. computer now running ok for nearly 5 hours!
Side panel off!

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[pechenegs]

Ah, guys, you want me to check the BIOS readings to, i'm not very good in these areas? Just tell me what it is you want, and i'll try and get that info for you!

I can check it tomorrow if you want, can't be bothered just now, a lazy Sunday!

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[firewolfrl]

looks like its time for a new case
I prefer the antic cases here is the antic 900

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021

I have the antic 1200 case that I like a lot ...but it is big and the best case I have ever used

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129043

those cases are quiet and cool a system very well

 

[BadBigBen]

pechenegs, I run all my PC's with the side panel off, not because of the temperature, but for easy access, I tend to change components quite often (HDD, GFX cards, etc.)...

I agree with Firewolfrl, that a good case should have enough cooling potential...

at work we only use one type of case for our WS (Quad core AMD's, which are notorious as foot warmers), which is a Chenbro SR20969 EATX Black Server Case, and these cases provide quite enough cooling (though the fans supplied with the case are a bit noisy, that's why we replace them with silent types)...

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[firewolfrl]

I would go with a case that has the bigger fans...I don't hardly hear fan noise in mine...

its all preference at this point

 

[pechenegs]

ok guys, thx for that, it crashed again last night after a short time!

I think because I'm a heavy pc user that eventually the depreciation of the hardware is inevitable!

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[kjv1611]

If you're constantly having heating issues, it may be worth looking into water cooling. If it keeps your system from going wacko like this, and you can afford the extra, I'd say go for it. Then the noise issue won't really be there either.

I've not personally used water cooling yet, but have thought about it for some time. Probably the only reason I haven't so far is my now 2 (almost 3) year old son. That being budget and time...

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[Grenage]

Water cooling is only worth looking at if you're anal about noise levels. For most of us, one or two large fans and a decent CPU cooler is more than sufficient.

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[kjv1611]

That's what I've normally thought as well, but pechenegs seems to be having issues with multiple fans.

Something isn't "right" in the cooling area - either the fans are fighting against each other somehow, or paste not applied correctly, or too much dust... bad location.... etc...

My thought is that if he's had these issues more than once now, and even with different PCs, then water cooling may be the easiest/least headache fix... and less noise to boot!

I also think of it this way: Automobiles were initially air cooled, or so I've been told. However they went to liquid cooling at some point in time b/c of more efficient cooling. Of course that includes at least one large fan assembly along with the liquid cooling components in a car, and it wouldn't hurt to have at least one quiet fan in a water/liquid cooling setup in a PC.

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