Which P IV to buy

[GoLdFiNgeR]

Should i get the 2.0 GHz with a 400 mhz fsb, or the 2.2 with the 533 mhz fsb

all prices aside, is the 2.2's performance that much better?

amd please dont say to get an amd, because im building this comp for a friend and he doesnt want amd, even though it was my suggestion for cost.

and also what is a good mobo, probably with ddr 333 or 400 is it? one that i could probably upgrade in the future

thnanks
will

 

[attrofy]

cdogg,

sorry for taking so long to get back with you, just finished a marathon Labor Day Sale weekend at work (73 hours on the time card as of last night, and still have all of today to go for the pay period)
Anyway, these claims were based on reviews that came out the first day of the 2600+ release. I had a great sticky in a forum that seems to have unstickied itself, and now I can't find the links to all the reviews I read. As for Tom's Hardware, they are becoming quite biased in their reviews towards intel products. I don't put as much faith in them as I did previously. However, here is one of the reviews from HardOCP

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MzQxLDE=

and from amdmb.com

http://www.amdmb.com/article-display.php?ArticleID=202&PageID=1

I am still looking for that sticky. There were about 6 main stream hardware sites that had similar results to these two reviews (thereby showing Tom's biases) and most of them left the impression that the limiting factor is the MB design, as well as the memory. With slight overclocking, and "Just around the corner" hardware advances, the AMD "appears" that it will do more than "just stay competitive" with the top Intel's, but will indeed dominate. But since we are talking about what is available right now the 2.8 from intel is out - $565 from Newegg plus $300 for 512MB of 1066 RAMBUS from Kingston...
Hmmmmm....$865 buys a lot of AMD PC, not just a chip and memory. And for marginal "Benchmark" gains I still have to put my real world money in real world comparisons and say that for the use that this user will place on his system, it is a waste of money to go with Intel.

Does a Lamboghini get you to work any "better" than a Porsche???? What are the fringe benefits of one verse the other??? Does it matter what a profesional driver can do on the track when all you are doing is driving 15 miles back and forth to work???? Seems to be the same argument to me.....

Russell

 

[GoLdFiNgeR]

i have to agree with atrofy, then again he may jsut be wired from working 73+ hours this week j/k,

that is exactly how i have alway felt about the amd/intel war

 

[cdogg]

Attrofy,

Well said. I've always chosen AMD over Intel since the P4 came out. It's hard not to, especially when building custom pc's for customers. There's no better "Bang for Buck" than AMD.

The only point I was trying to make is that there are two different types of questions that require two very different answers...



1) What is the fastest configuration out there, that will provide both quality and speed, at the best price?

Answer: AMD 2600+ (which is also extremely easy to overclock)


2) What is the fastest configuration out there, PERIOD? <Price is NOT a concern and they don't plan to overclock>

Answer: Intel 2.53GHz or 2.8GHz Northwood coupled with 32-bit RIMM4200 modules (Both are faster than the 2600+ out of the box)



I'm not so sure I'd agree with you that Tom's Hardware backs INTEL over AMD. They love competition because they know that the consumer wins every time when the 2 companies duke it out! Those sites you listed also show what the 2600+ does when it's been overclocked against a standard 2.53GHz. They both highly favor AMD and are definitely biased...
~cdogg

&quot;The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.&quot;
- A. Einstein

 

[GoLdFiNgeR]

i think toms hardwar was biased untill the 2600 came out, he just seemed to be anti amd to me, but now he has seemed to change his mind, and yes those are compared after overcloking, which not everybody does

 

[cdogg]

GoLdFiNgeR,

That's why you have to read EVERY article that's posted at Tom's Hardware. I've been reading their articles for years, and they've been very consistent. If a product comes out that kicks a**, they're going to give it a good review, regardless if it's AMD or Intel. That's unbiased for ya!


~cdogg

&quot;The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.&quot;
- A. Einstein

 

[Hungster]

Yes Asus P4B533 rocks, i am running with a P4 2.26Ghz
1 gig of DDRAM and Seagate Cheetah, GeForce 4 ti4600
it screams

 

[GoLdFiNgeR]

sorry, this is my fault, biased was the incorrect word to use, but i havent read EVERY article, nor do i have the time to, but reading the select one, mainly the xp 2100 vs the p4 2.5, well the xp 2100 isnt SUPPOSED to beat he intel 2.5, teh xp 2100 is comparable to competitors 2.1 ghz, and he basically ditches amd, even though amd said nothing about the 2100 beating a 2.5, but your right, he does praise great products, like the xp 2600

again its my fault for using the wrong and not even close terminology

 

[Hungster]

If you pay close attention to the people who has problem with their GeForce Video card lately running games and so on.

you tell me how many how has problem using AMD vs Intel
THE END

 

[GoLdFiNgeR]

thank you to all who answered my question

i greatly appreciate it

 

[pat326]

I'm looking to find out how much RAM the P4 can support. I know it depends on the mobo, but I'd like to find out total memory support by the P4.

 

[attrofy]

I'm not possitive, and would have to do some serious research that I am not so inclined to do at the moment, but I believe the chip will address whatever is avaliable to it. So the answer that the board is the final determining factor is kind of the answer.

In other words, I am not sure that there is a top limit on how much memory the chip will address. Since we are still working with the x86 architecture, the usable limit is really on 640KB on the chip at any given time. With the advance of newer codesets, and on chip instructions, the systems are working around that number, but I believe the base memory address is still only in 640KB chunks. Someone correct me that knows more about processor instruction sets.

 

[ceh4702]

If you truly want to buy Intel CPU's it is better to budget for the 800Mhz Bus CPU's. The 2.4C gig or the 2.6C gig P4 CPU's are a pretty good deal right now. So pick a motherboard like the Asus P4P800 Deluxe for $128.00, or the Asus P4C800 Deluxe. The Deluxe version has better integrated sound and things like firewire and raid. If you want something cheaper maybe a P4P800-VM with integrated video and audio might be a good motherboard for about $101.00. You can also get the Asus P4PE-X for 87.99.

You can get slightly cheaper motherboards but often they only support PC2100 (DDR266).

For a Budget board with good features the P4P800-VM is an excellent motherboard with support for Dual DDR RAM up to DDR 400 and the 800 Mhz Processor. I would look at the priced difference between a 400 Mhz, a 533 Mhz, and a 800Mhz bus processor and the Celerons too if that is what you are looking at. This board also has a separate AGP slot in case you ever add your own video card later, and will support any processor from the Celeron to the top of the line 800Mhz Bus P4. It has the faster dual DDR RAM slots and supports Serial ATA Drives, as well as USB2.0.

I think the 2.4C Gig 800 Mhz has the most bang for the buck, but if you dont need it you may be better off with a Celeron and DDR266 RAM motherboard for under $70.00. Asus has a few like this with Via and Sis chipsets that are fairly inexpensive.


If you do not like my post feel free to point out your opinion or my errors.

 

[cdogg]

pat326,
See what happens when you post in an old thread? You'll find that a lot of the answers to your question are instead in response to the person who started the thread, although their question is more than a year old!!!!!


It would be best to start a new one each time a thread becomes more than a few months old.

cheers,



~cdogg
[tab]&quot;The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources&quot;
[tab][tab]- A. Einstein