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SW Deploymnt, Auditing, Rmte Control, Patch Mgmt for 750 PCs/90 sites 2

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djhawthorn

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Our current setup
I am part of a small team that manages ~750 machines (almost all IBMs; desktops, servers, laptops) across around 90 sites.

About 60% of the sites run their own seperate Active Directory domain (with upto 35 machines per site), the remaining 40% are smaller sites running only a workgroup scenario (with upto 5 machines per site). There are no trusts between any of the domains. Each site is a seperate entitiy, and this is a major consideration when reviewing potential products.

All the sites are linked via a secure WAN; with a central, single-point-of-entry gateway to the internet (firewalled, monitored, controlled).

We try and maintain an SOE across all machines; their configuration is basically the same, and so we use Norton Ghost heavily to clone images.

All machines are centrally managed for AV, and semi-centrally managed for patch management with SUS.

All the servers run a pcAnywhere host, all the client machines run NetMeeting for remote control support.

There are no local IT staff at any of the sites - all support is done remotely, with on-site visits where required (though this is not easy - some sites are inter-state or in country towns).

All users logging on have administrative access to the local machine, except for the domain controllers themselves, where the user has limited access.

All machines run a logon script, which in turn runs an 'AutoProcess' VBScript engine, which looks for and runs any scripts we deploy from time to time to aid in automation of administrative tasks.

What we are looking for
We are looking for software (free or at-cost) to provide one or more of the following items:
- Software Deployment
- Auditing (Hardware and Software)
- Remote Control (of all machines)
- Patch Management

At the moment we have the above items in limited fashion - for example I can audit the machines using a VBScript (as we have done) and get back their hardware stats - but we have no way of knowing about rogue PCs not running the logon script. SUS is great for deploying patches; but you wouldn't know if a machine wasn't picking up updates. So we are looking for better solutions.

Just looking at remote control packages, we are seeing at least 20 different capable products out there, which makes my job to report on viable vendors a living hell by the time I cover all four categories :).

Has anyone had any experience on packages that do any or all of the above, that would recommend their choice of product?

Basically we are looking for:
Software deployment
- The ability to build templates, and within that:
--- Report on discrepancies / machines that don't meet the template
--- Enforce templates (add/remove software that doesn't exist per the template)
- The ability to add/update or remote packages or products like Adobe Acrobot, MS Office etc, to select or all PCs/or on a per-template basis

Auditing
- The ability to scan a network and find all plugged in devices, interrogate them, find out what they are etc.
- Hardware auditing (machine specs, serial numbers etc)
- Software auditing (what's installed, license management etc.)
- The ability to centralise reporting of audited machines

Patch Management
- Centralised reporting on what machines need what patches
- Patching of only Windows security and MS Office patches
- Push-technology is preferrable, though not essential

Remote Control
- Ability to lock out the remote keyboard, mouse, and preferably blank the screen
- Scanning of subnets to find available hosts -- being able to scan remote subnets would be especially useful
- Being able to group hosts into different groups or categories
- File transfer ability is preferred

General
Given the large volume of PCs across so many sites - some of them interstate and all have no local IT staff - we have to take in to consideration the following:
- Deployment to client machines has to be relatively easy (batch/automated is the only solution for us - we can not affort the time to install software manually to 750 machines)
- Centralisation of administration is critical - to a central server back at the main office where possible; to their local server at absolute least.
- Ease of configuration (preferably command-line or registry hack) is important - anything scriptable with VBScript or the tools built-into the product is preferred.

I greatly appreciate any feedback people can give with products they could recommend, have used, or would consider a viable solution for the above setup.


[auto] MCSE NT4/W2K
 
First suggestion I would have for you is to update your SUS to WSUS. With WSUS you will get much better reporting and the ability to patch other MS applications like Office in addition to the OS. For additional reporting you can also use the Microsoft Baseline Security Analyzer which is an awesome little tool.

You don't mention what the client OS is. If not XP then I would say upgrade them all to XP so you can use the remote desktop features and remote assistance features built into the OS and remove your dependency on the third party product.

For software deployment, with an infrastructure as large as yours I would recommend you look at Microsoft SMS. If you think that is overkill for you then you might want to look at Altirus.

I hope you find this post helpful.

Regards,

Mark
 
Mark,

Firstly, thanks for your reply.

We are currently investigating WSUS - I am in the middle of using/testing/playing with it in our test environment; just trying to work out how we can centralise the reporting of it so we can report on all machines from one (master) location. (I don't think the replica servers upload the reporting/computer stats to the master, do they?)

The client OS is predominantly Windows 2000; nothing older than that, and only a few XP machines at the moment. We are not in a huge hurry to upgrade all the computers OS's like that on such a large scale unfortunantly, though I will raise the suggestion as an alternative.

SMS and Altirus are both short listed for investigation too, based on your (and other peoples) comments. Thanks again.

[auto] MCSE NT4/W2K
 
You might be able to centralize the reporting with MOM but I've not used that so not tottaly sure. I also have not used WSUS with replica servers so not sure there either sorry.

I hope you find this post helpful.

Regards,

Mark
 
SMS used to include a nice remote-control component. Do the current versions?
 
markdmac: MOM? I've not heard that term before sorry (or at least cant recall it off the top of my head)...

porkchopexpress: Is Dameware just remote control? Or does it do other things as well? (I've seen it mentioned before).

I've heard SMS has remote control functionality, but its not very good and I should find an alternative for the remote control side of things...


[auto] MCSE NT4/W2K
 
Doesn't ZEN Works require Netware? I know that Novell makes it and I've only ever seen it in Netware installations.

Regarding the remote control functionality in SMS, the SMS client had that back in the NT4 days so I doubt that it would require Windows XP Remote Desktop at this point.
 
Zenworks does not require netware anymore. It can run on a windows/netware/linux server, nor does it require client32. Its pretty platform independent. It does need a directory service to operate against. I'm not sure if it can use active directory or if Edirectory (formerly NDS) is required. Either way, it's not hard to setup AD to Edirectory synchronzation.
 
Ok, well given we have workgroup sites that aren't integrated into any AD structure at all, I dont think ZenWorks is a goer for us...

Has anyone used or experienced Tivoli? IBM Director? Net Support? Altiris? Dameware? <insert package here>? who can comment more on if any of these products are worth looking into or not? Any good or bad points about them that I should know about?

There seems to be a lot of pro-SMS support, but obviously that is only one package. There has been slight mention of one or two of the other packages, but thats about it.

Thanks again too; I greatly appreciate the replies.

[auto] MCSE NT4/W2K
 
A nice thing about Altirus is it is easy for packaging.

Tivoli is expensive and not as good as SMS in my opinion having seen both in action at various customer locations.

I hope you find this post helpful.

Regards,

Mark
 
Dameware is a great package but it is more focused on remote support rather than remote management so you don't get any software management tools like in SMS or Altirus.
 
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