some notion about Hacker 4

[Guest_imported]

nowadays,Hacker has a notorious label.however, in my view,there is a need for the original hacker's spirit. What makes me appreciate is the work and study attitude.If the labour just behave as arts and beauty, I think the suffering which we now feel must disappear. The ideal condition of Human being is dreaming for will be coming.

 

[petermeachem]

Agree. I just don't understand hackers and virus writers. Some at least are clearly clever. Lord knows why they choose to waste talents like that. Peter Meachem
peter@accuflight.com

Support Joanna's Bikeathon

http://www.accuflight.com/blue_peter_bikeathon_2002.htm

 

[PerryMc]

Sorry Peter, but I don't see how you can possibly stick an 'and' between them. Hacker is such a broad spectrum term, while virus writer is a narrow focus specific and an inherently malicious one at that.

Pracila, human societies, past, present and future are dominated and controlled by people that want to do that. I have no idea why they are that way, personally I think they are rather psychotic, but the world is in the atrocious mess that it is because these are the worst possible people to be running it. The last thing they want is anybody being privy to their secrets. For this reason, they have striven to put the worst possible connotations on the term 'hacker'.


Smile anyway,
Perry.

 

[DonQuichote]

In my opinion, there are useful hackers (some even get paid for that, you know?)

Some hackers just want to do some damage on a remote system

Some hackers just want to show that personal data are so badly secured, that they are in effect published on the net.

I think we still need the last category. Publishing personal data should be a crime (In my country, publishing personal data is not a crime, but hacking into a system is, whatever the reason)

 

[petermeachem]

I don't understand why hackers are applauded for showing up security weaknesses. Would you say thankyou to someone who broke into your house merely to show you that your doorlocks were not of the highest standard, or your alarm system was a cheap one. I think not. Why then applaud a hacker for breaking into a computer system just to show it can be done. I don't see any difference. If it wasn't for people breaking in, you wouldn't need such strong security. And the security only needs to be there to keep out hackers. Ordinary people such as you or I wouldn't know how, and wouldn't do it even if we did.
There seems to be an attempt to pretend that hackers are useful members of society, even altering the definition of the term so that computer programmers in general are included. I think not. Might as well try to re-label burglars as home security consultants. Peter Meachem
peter@accuflight.com

Support Joanna's Bikeathon

http://www.accuflight.com/blue_peter_bikeathon_2002.htm

 

[SteveTheGeek]

I'm no word etymologist, but my understanding is that "hacker" was originally an MIT/Stanford-ish term describing what we now call geeks (in both the network and programming flavors). Since there were no such things as script kiddies at that time, "exploration" of things like university networks could only be attributed to hackers, and over time the exploration and not the requisite technical knowledge became the key aspect of the term (and thank you very much to our news media for helping to corrupt the public meaning).

As regards the ethics of "hacking," well, the discussion of that is what forums like these are for, right?
-Steve

 

[DonQuichote]

To respond to Peter Meachem:

I would not applaude if a hacker broke into my house, but I would if he would break easily into a nuclear warhead storage or into the bank with all my money . Journalists do so sometimes and they get applause as well. I think that's the difference.

 

[benzito]

I agree w/ DonQuichote. The difference is that a lot of corporations hold their customers personal information such as SSN, Credit cards #'s, bank act #'s etc... I do think there is a better solution >> Any corporation that stores customers sensitive data should have to meet a certain standard and have their networks certified. There are a lot of companies out there with lax security policies. This wouldn't be a guarantee against being hacked, but it would hopefully raise the bar...

 

[sleipnir214]

Yeah, Pete, I'd be pissed, too. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't find the information valuable and go have my locks fixed. Don't confuse the message with the messenger.

And if I knew that my neighbor's house across the street was built at the same time by the same contractor using the same brand of lock, I guarantee you I would hot-foot it over to his house to let him benefit from my experience.


Hacking is not the act of cracking a system. Hacking is the act of learing enough about the system to to know how to crack it. Hacking involves buying CFOs too much beer. It uses techniques like "dumpster diving" and poring over manuals for days on end.

If someone breaks into my computer and takes information, he is thieving. If someone breaks into my computer and damages information, he is vandalizing. And if he breaks into my computer once to take a look around, he is a peeping tom -- too many times and he is a stalker.

When a thief breaks into your house by picking the lock, we don't call him a locksmith. If he gets in by chopping down the door with an axe, we don't call him a lumberjack. Why do we insist on calling digital thieves and digital vandals, "hackers"?

Pete, let me ask you a hypothetical: Your local pizza delivery guy shows up at your house to deliver your order. After you take your pizza and pay him, just before you close the door he tells you, "You have a Foo-brand lock, model number 12345. Dude, did you know that if you stick a sardine in the lock and jiggle it, the door will come right open?" Would you be pissed, then? Probably not. But you've been "hacked" just as surely as your coming home one day and finding your front door open and a note on your kitchen counter written on a Domino's box that reads, "Dude, you need to replace your lock."


And what about "script kiddies?" They just run down the street at night, sticking sardines in everyone's locks.

 

[JazzGeek]

Actually, "Hackers" are good programmers, security experts. The term "Crackers" are those with harmful intent.

Crackers are people with little people skills and too much masturbation time on their "hands." The are pissed off, hurt boys and girls with the drive to learn and destroy to "right their wrong." We need to treat them from the parents perspective and head it off before it even starts. Computers and programming are too easy for even grandma to learn, so alas, we need to get to the ROOT of the problem.

 

[svanels]

The higly paid experts in any military organization, which ultimate goal is to destroy the communications/equipment/people of the opposite parties, from a IT point of view, are they hackers or crackers? Or does it depend who is the employer?

We know that the Secret Service / Infantery doesn't use boy scouts ,choir boys or nuns to do the (dirty) work. Steven van Els
SAvanEls@cq-link.sr

 

[JazzGeek]

"The higly paid experts in any military organization, which ultimate goal is to destroy the communications/equipment/people of the opposite parties, from a IT point of view, are they hackers or crackers? Or does it depend who is the employer?"

CRACKERS to other country, and HACKERS to our country.

"We know that the Secret Service / Infantery doesn't use boy scouts ,choir boys or nuns to do the (dirty) work."

Oh, so wrong. Never heard of Mafiaboy? Or Genocide? They are both ex-crackers little boys now working for the top level government agency's. Both began working at the tender age of 18.

 

[sleipnir214]

Neither. They're probably explosives experts. ______________________________________________________________________
Don't say thanks. Just award stars.
______________________________________________________________________