ok first answering to blueark
-"there`s no simple way to get the object without the background selected
Yes there is. You mentioned one already, the lasso selection tools."
--nope. imagine this: big black rectangle with 3 little, nonconcentrical, nonoverlapping, very close together, circles, somwhere inside it. and i mean really little, like u cant click them unless u zoom in. if u use the lasso tool, as u sugested, then u should go from one to onother, without being able NOT to cross through the big black rectangle too. which means that at the end u have seleted the three little circles plus the bigbrectangle, since the lasso selects everything it passes through. sure there are 1000 solutions for this, i gave one with the zoom, and so on and so on, u can even shift clik the black rectangle out of the way, but what i`m talking about here are the main selection tools, and main selection methods that are deficitary. u see with the inbound method, the one corel uses, is sufficient to drag a selection from somwhere outside the bbrectangle, that completely include all the lil circles (easy task sice they are very close together), and there u go, one click-drag. anything AI has to offer is at least one click, one keystroke more than with this method.
-"U go screw around with the multilayer, multigrouping same stylles junk
What are you talking about? You don't want to use layers, then don't. You can still use the layers palette to find what you want."
--offcourse i`m using layers, grouping, locking, select same>, select object>, and everything. just because i`m complaining about the main selection tools, doesn`t mean i`m a stupid duck that drags objects on the desktop. but again, imagine how would it be that in the predefine shapes list there would be everything, every little star and magnet, any stupid shape that u can imagine, but not the rectangle. now, u could still get away with it, but it would be very couterproductive. U see, i was talking about those half-a-second selections, the main selections tools; sure there are alternate ways of dealing with selected objects that will get u through in the end, but it will also take u alot longer, if not at least to say,stress u down. U went forward and gave me two examples of these: ctrl+y, and locking. this is what i meant from keepin me away from the junk. sure i`m aware of them, corel had them too, but this is NOT my point. Nevertheless objects layout can get so complicated sometimes, that not even the corel selection method wont help. And this why i praise the lasso tools. That is, for better understanding, the current AI method can be usefull, sometimes (and here i`ve praied the lasso toolls), only that this happens in 1 of 50 selections (2%). So it is common sense to strugle selecting only in those 2%, and not in the remaining 98%.
-"And it`s not even that much of an option to implement, freehand has it, u can change between the two selection modes
Huh?! You say Illustrator has all these selection modes, and now ask why they don't have an option? I don't understand."
--U see Illustrator does not have the both methods, since both the main selection tools and the lasso ones, work the same way, they select whatever they go trough. Freehand has both methods, so u can configure the selection tools to behave in both modes.
-"more intuitive for many because they so closely resemble the desktop model. Imagine trying to group select a bunch of folders on your desktop the corel way: anything half selected wouldn't be included, try again. To me, that's frustrating. Others may have a different view."
--well for start ur not having a big folder icon on the background that u don`t want selected, which is mostlike the case in drawing. then again all the folders are lined up smoothly, etc.
Let me explain the logic here:
Lets say we have a selection and we`re not happy with it. That can be out of two reasons:
1. we have selected smthng we don`t want
2. we`ve misselected smthng
so were gonna do it all over again.
oki, here`s the inbound(corel) way
1. well u should draw a rectangle that only includes the objects that u want selected, however 1/50 cases, this will be imposible, still that is only 2% of the cases.
2. oh, that`s really hard! u should draw a BIGGER rectangle!
here`s the AI way:
1. hmm, well u should start either clicking or shift-clicking, depends on which group is less numerous. really nonstressing procedure!
2. u should draw a bigger rectangle too, but watch what ur touching cos u might get unwanties in the way!. There are the lasso tools as well, should really help u with that, thanks AI for them!.
