I use the recorder alot to help me with developing the macros that we use. Sometimes it will do the basics and then you can just go in and add more code to do the little things. But it looks like a lot of us are having the same problem. I can't seem to find info on Extra macros either. Half the time it doesn't like the commands I try to use. Its like it has a language all its own. I don't have too much trouble extracting data from the mainframe though. My problem is getting it to accept the commands that I need to control Excel. Right now I am fighting with it to do a sort on a column in an excel spreadsheet. I can get it to select the column but it bombs when I try to sort. I used straight Visual Basic commands, then VBA any way I could think of, even the way the Extra Help said to do it and nothing works. It is really starting to get to me. If anyone has any suggestions, please answer!!