By the way, I apologize for the unweildy link to Google News. Not long ago, Tech-Tips shortened the link which appears in the post with ellipses (...) - now, URL's fon't even have a hyperlink!
If you do a Google search in newsgroups with the following arguments
'cvtch' qc2le
the second thread is the same one I was referring to before.
"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth with your eyes turned skyward, for here you have been, and there you will always long to return."
--Leonardo da Vinci