Okay, I tried what everyone suggested, except for the applications server idea but I'm still thinking about that. Unfortunately it didn't work but it may have helped get me closer to a working machine. Did another complete install of the software and I was getting that login problem again. Decided to put the ip address of my new machine in the destination or source bar, can't remember the name of it but its the third space down right below password and it took it. The name and password grayed out, so I'm in. Everything looks good but its still not working, when I call the VDN I still get a busy signal. We use to get a busy signal when the computer when down our lost comm with the server. Any ideas, appreciate everyone's help.