Hi pjw001
Thanx for the reply.
I also cannot find "manage third party access" in my gmail account.
Perhaps google removed it cos users use it to frustrate google's
new security requirements (which I suspect are more to protect google
than users from the consequences of unauthorised mail access).
Thunderbird 38.5.0 will "install" on Vista and the install offers OAUTH2
access (which must be selected to recognise the mail servers),
But it's not usable, at least on Vista.
Problems include "invalid security certificates" for which exceptions can't be applied,
It crashes or just disappears from view leaving the process running, and it refuses to
allow the user the selection of a mail folder other than the default offered, with the
message that the user folder is unsuitable.
By fiddling with Gmail settings I've got the pop server to work with Win Mail
but not the smtp. I'll have to use my IP account to send though this defeats the
purpose of gmail to provide email a/cs independent of an IP.
If I find a mail client which works with Gmail and Vista I'll post
john