Old P4 on a new mobo ? 7

[6465]

Hi guys,right now my PC uses an MSI mobo with an i845 Intel brookdale chipset and a P4 1.8MHz(s 478)and SDRam memory modules.I'm thinking of replacing the mobo with a Gigabyte 81PE 1000G I865 supporting DDR but I'd like to keep my old processor.I know that this mobo uses the same socket but I'm not sure if the new i865 chipset is compatible.Also,I want to use DDR 400 memory modules.Is it doable or I'll be throwing money down the drain?

 

[jurgen36]

You can keep you CPU it is compatible, but you will not gain any speedincrease with the new motherboard.
Regards

Jurgen

 

[paparazi]

6465
Entirely doable and considering your current hardware a relatively cheap upgrade that leaves great potential for the future.
Yes the CPU will fit
Yes DDR3200 will also work

The motherboard/DDR ram swap will improve performance if only by a little at this point (CPU will be the bottleneck) but opens up your upgrade path considerably for 800fsb Prescott.

These changes will not effect power requirements too much but with a future CPU upgrade you may require a more powerful PSU.
Martin



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[garebo]

To me, since you cant use your existing ram anyway as its sdram and so you have to buy new ram, and since you wouldnt be getting that much more performance unless you get a better cpu, you are almost better off selling your old mobo with cpu\hs\fan and ram and getting yourself a new cpu for the new ram and new mobo that you are talking about. To me, thats the only way you are going to get your moneys worth and see some real performance difference. Other than that about all you might get out of the deal is a bit more performance and maybe usb2 instead of usb1.
But i havent checked out both mobos, so i could be wrong here, but i dont think so. I think you would be better off getting a new cpu at the same time and selling off the old.



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[paparazi]

Quote from 6465
"I'd like to keep my old processor"
My assumption is the user is quite happy with his P4 1.8?
Not everyone is a power user.
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[garebo]

paparazi, this has nothing to do with being a power user!
What i am saying is that this person is putting out lots of money for a new motherboard and new ram and wont get much for their money. but if they should add a newer processor then they should get a lot more for the money they spent on the motherboard and the ram.
Without getting a new cpu i just dont see it as worth it, i dont think the user is going to be too happy with a small performance increase.
In addition, when trying to sell the old motherboard and ram, it would be easier to sell a working setup with the old motherboard, ram, cpu with hs\fan and working.
Has nothing to do with being a power user, only common sense.


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[garebo]

In addition to what i said, i only made a suggestion, the user is free to do whatever they wish, make whatever decision he wishes, not a big deal here and no reason to criticize! And my point is valid.



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[paparazi]

garebo
If 6465(who is an instructor) says "I'd like to keep my old processor" then I am not going to insult his intelligence by saying "i dont think the user is going to be too happy with a small performance increase"
This forum is for computer professions, so it goes without saying that he would know such a rudimentary fact.
And please don't take everything so personally.
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[garebo]

I didnt insult anyones intelligence, only pointed out a few facts and my opinion.


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[franklin97355]

Fight! Fight! I'm sorry but this seems to remind me of grade school.

 

[garebo]

franklin97355, please stay out of this, you are not helping.
Paparazi and i will sort this out.


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[danomac]

6465:

Yes, as paparazi mentioned, you can do this; the CPU will work in the new motherboard.

I myself see this as throwing money away unless:

1. You plan to get a new P4 CPU in the real-near future and are just trying to spread out costs over a few months;
2. There is a problem on the existing motherboard or RAM (faulty RAM, random BSODs in Windows, dead USB ports etc..);
3. The newer motherboard has some onboard functionality that you need which your existing one does not currently support (such as extra usb ports, onboard sound, or firewire ports.)

If you do not plan to upgrade the processor I also do not see it to be a worthwhile upgrade (but see point #1 above.)

 

[stduc]

IMHO once a PC is over 18 months old its a waste of time & money to upgrade, beyond adding RAM, cards or extra drives. After, say 30 months its not worth doing anything. I think its much better to wait until you can afford a to build or buy a new PC. Preferably whilst your present PC works. My reasons are.

1. All the components are wearing out one way or another. The potential for grief is therefore higher than with a new machine.

2. Everything just about will have got faster & cheaper in the last x months.

3. You get plenty of time to test the new PC before using it.

4. You can network them as the easiest way of getting your data across.

5. You can then sell your old one as a whole, or in parts as you wish.

So a fresh start will be more economical in the long run. [blue]garebo[/blue] is right as far as he goes, so I guess I agree with him in the context of this thread. Also with [blue]danomac[/blue]. I'm certainly not trying to argue against them. I'm just saying that as the mobo/cpu/ram combination is so inter-dependant - changing one generally doesn't improve things much. You have to change all three at the same time. Video cards will have much more RAM & be faster so using the old one is again a false economy. You will probably crave a better CD/DVD combo & your hard drives will be wearing out, in addition they will slow your system down as newer ones will inevitably have faster data transfer rates, etc than your current ones. Other cards can probably be transferred. But again I would look to see what's new. Like If I was starting again I'd put in a 1G NIC card. - etc etc.

Reclaiming a PC for other people - like your kids say, now that's another matter entirely! But generally I'm afraid they get my old PC with the bits I transfer - well, missing!

 

[6465]

Guys,thanks for all the tips!the pc I was asking about is not the only one I've got and definitely not the fastest.But I don't really feel like dumping it.To be honest the only parts I haven't replaced are the mobo,cpu and memory.The rest are as good as new.I don't expect it to do miracles after the upgrade,I just want a small increase in performance.So if it the mobo and my old cpu are compatible then everything is o.k

 

[garebo]

You can always get a new cpu later if you want anyway, and good luck with the new mobo!!


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