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Dutch3801

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I've got a cannon gl1, (nice camera). I am looking to do my own edit.&nbsp;&nbsp;I'm going with Adobe Premier as my software.(industry standard)&nbsp;&nbsp;I'm looking for some answers though on hardware.&nbsp;&nbsp;I've only got the monitor & printer.&nbsp;&nbsp;Looking for something that is user friendly, & fast.&nbsp;&nbsp;I'm a documentary style camera op. and shoot hours of footage for minimal usage.&nbsp;&nbsp;Any suggestions as to an IBM campatable system, and other hardware. (i.e. capture, and how large to go with memory). Thanks for your time<br>jec.
 
well typically some of the digital camera have a Computer connectivity , and rarely can be used as a Twain Source, but for any Camera or camcorder input, say you want to do some video editing, check out some Video capture cards, if you want a new Video card while yer at it, check ATI All In Wonder 128 card, it is a video card, TV Tuner, Mpeg1 and 2 realtime encoders(will compress to an mpeg while it receives the video stream, giving you alot of room on your harddrive) , can capture still shots, it basically claims to be a full Multimedia editing system in one card, check pricewatch.com to find the lowest prices, then check resellerratings.com to see if that company offering it at a good price also has good ratings to order from. <p>Karl<br><a href=mailto:kb244@kb244.8m.com>kb244@kb244.8m.com</a><br><a href= </a><br>Experienced in , or have messed with : VC++, Borland C++ Builder, VJ++6(starting),VB-Dos, VB1 thru VB6, Delphi 3 pro, Borland C++ 3(DOS), Borland C++ 4.5, HTML,Visual InterDev 6, ASP(WebProgramming), QBasic(least i didnt start with COBOL)
 
My advice to you:<br><br>Get as big and fast a SCSI hard drive(s) as you can afford. Get a good SCSI controller (ultra 160) and gobs of memory. This is more important than sheer CPU speed. I would also suggest an additional stackable external SCSI drive(s) for storing footage.<br>Your camera is already digital, and has an IEEE 1394 (Firewire) port so the Video Capture Card Karl mentioned is not necesary. MAKE SURE YOUR MOTHERBOARD HAS THAT PORT!!!!<br>As for a brand, I don't know if you'll find everything on your wish list out of a catalog. I prfer to build my own. If you need further or more descriptive suggestions feel free to drop me a mail.<br><br>P.S.- Karl, I have an ATI AIW 128 and it is fab for Hi-8 and standard editing. <p>Al<br><a href=mailto: atc-computing@home.com> atc-computing@home.com</a><br><a href= > </a><br>
 
Hi-8 ? <p>Karl<br><a href=mailto:kb244@kb244.8m.com>kb244@kb244.8m.com</a><br><a href= </a><br>Experienced in , or have messed with : VC++, Borland C++ Builder, VJ++6(starting),VB-Dos, VB1 thru VB6, Delphi 3 pro, Borland C++ 3(DOS), Borland C++ 4.5, HTML,Visual InterDev 6, ASP(WebProgramming), QBasic(least i didnt start with COBOL)
 
Yes Karl, as in 8mm and Hi-8mm.... <p>Al<br><a href=mailto: atc-computing@home.com> atc-computing@home.com</a><br><a href= > </a><br>
 
oh, well Dutch, he's right about the firewire and upgrading the hardware(not nessaarily the CPU) which should be able to handle real good quality downstream, even uncompressed. <p>Karl<br><a href=mailto:kb244@kb244.8m.com>kb244@kb244.8m.com</a><br><a href= </a><br>Experienced in , or have messed with : VC++, Borland C++ Builder, VJ++6(starting),VB-Dos, VB1 thru VB6, Delphi 3 pro, Borland C++ 3(DOS), Borland C++ 4.5, HTML,Visual InterDev 6, ASP(WebProgramming), QBasic(least i didnt start with COBOL)
 
I currently have a camcorder Sony something or other, I can't remember right now. But it does have digital capability and a firewire connection. You can buy a kit that gives you the cable plus a card with three firewire ports, two external and one internal. I haven't tried premier yet, I have only used ULead. I don't know if premier imports from the camera as mpeg, ULead imports as avi and for one minute of footage it generates a high quality (25 + fps) avi that is about 300Mb. From there it has to be converted to mpeg which takes forever. On my system (amd k6-2 400) it took about 2 hours to convert the avi to mpeg. <br><br>I may be stupid and using the wrong program, but I believe that the firewire doesn't import mpeg. If this isn't true then you don't need to worry too much about the processing power. If it is true I would recommend the following specs (anyone correct me if I am wrong)<br><br>-A large hard drive, I don't think it has to be scsi, but it should be at least 30 gigs. <br>-At least 128Mb of ram<br>-pIII 800 or higher or equivalent(AMD). Going dual would be better (Then you would have to go to an O/S like NT as I don't think linux has support for firewire yet)<br>-firewire port, this apperently has transfer rates that are well above fast ether net transfer rates.<br><br>This is what I have learned through experience. Karl recomended a digital capture card/mpeg encoder. This may still be an option, I have no experience with them but they may be able to take footage that is already on your computer and convert it to mpeg format. If they can do this, then you should definately get a capture card as the mpeg conversion would be much quicker because you would have a dedicated chip doing the conversion and not software which is slower.<br><br>That's my two cents <p> fenris<br><a href=mailto:fenris@hotmail.com>fenris@hotmail.com</a><br><a href= > </a><br>
 
The card I mentioned does Realtime Mpeg2 Encoding, which basically means if you hook up a TV in on it, it'll record any incomming stream to mpeg&nbsp;&nbsp;at realtime, no going to avi then to mpeg. I am not sure about it's Fps, but if it does tv in , I assume its at least 30fps. <p>Karl<br><a href=mailto:kb244@kb244.8m.com>kb244@kb244.8m.com</a><br><a href= </a><br>Experienced in , or have messed with : VC++, Borland C++ Builder, VJ++6(starting),VB-Dos, VB1 thru VB6, Delphi 3 pro, Borland C++ 3(DOS), Borland C++ 4.5, HTML,Visual InterDev 6, ASP(WebProgramming), QBasic(least i didnt start with COBOL)
 
Karl, <br>Do you have any good places to get such a card? Are the ATI cards the best?<br><br>Any info would be appreciated <p> fenris<br><a href=mailto:fenris@hotmail.com>fenris@hotmail.com</a><br><a href= > </a><br>
 
hmm thought I mentioned it above, guess not, check out pricewatch.com for lowest prices, when you've found a good price, check resellerratings.com to see if that company has good ratings, 7 is perfect, so anything thats 5 or above are usally very good. <p>Karl<br><a href=mailto:kb244@kb244.8m.com>kb244@kb244.8m.com</a><br><a href= </a><br>Experienced in , or have messed with : VC++, Borland C++ Builder, VJ++6(starting),VB-Dos, VB1 thru VB6, Delphi 3 pro, Borland C++ 3(DOS), Borland C++ 4.5, HTML,Visual InterDev 6, ASP(WebProgramming), QBasic(least i didnt start with COBOL)
 
The reason I stress the SCSI and memory is for exactly the reason that fenris mentioned: 2 hour conversion of a 300mb file.<br>Does NT support firewire? <p>Al<br><a href=mailto: atc-computing@home.com> atc-computing@home.com</a><br><a href= > </a><br>
 
unfortunatly Al, a SCSI harddrive is a lot more expensive than finding a dedicated chip that does the encoding to mpeg in realtime. I mean unless he's starting a studio or something, it's not something that I would result to. <p>Karl<br><a href=mailto:kb244@kb244.8m.com>kb244@kb244.8m.com</a><br><a href= </a><br>Experienced in , or have messed with : VC++, Borland C++ Builder, VJ++6(starting),VB-Dos, VB1 thru VB6, Delphi 3 pro, Borland C++ 3(DOS), Borland C++ 4.5, HTML,Visual InterDev 6, ASP(WebProgramming), QBasic(least i didnt start with COBOL)
 
Al, <br><br>The last time I checked, NT didn't support firewire, otherwise I would have switched my home system to NT months ago.<br><br>I think the drivers were flaky at best.<br><br>Karl, you never mentioned if the card was compatible with firewire, or if it could convert avi files that are on the hardrive to mpeg by using it's onboard chip.<br><br>THanks <p> fenris<br><a href=mailto:fenris@hotmail.com>fenris@hotmail.com</a><br><a href= > </a><br>
 
from what I remeber the card is neither, assuming that a AV or S-video input is sufficient enough when the card encodes it directly to a mpeg. But since you mentioned it, I'll probally go looking on the weekend, for a Realtime Mepg encoder compatible with Firewire (I've seen em before, they were anywhere from 500 to the sub 1500$ range, and offered a dedicated chip for encoding files, and encoding input streams at realtime) <p>Karl<br><a href=mailto:kb244@kb244.8m.com>kb244@kb244.8m.com</a><br><a href= </a><br>Experienced in , or have messed with : VC++, Borland C++ Builder, VJ++6(starting),VB-Dos, VB1 thru VB6, Delphi 3 pro, Borland C++ 3(DOS), Borland C++ 4.5, HTML,Visual InterDev 6, ASP(WebProgramming), QBasic(least i didnt start with COBOL)
 
Now what's cheaper Karl, the SCSI or the card? <p>Al<br><a href=mailto: atc-computing@home.com> atc-computing@home.com</a><br><a href= > </a><br>
 
the card would be anything higher than 500 would be the ideal SCSI cost, when you're talking about a big harddrive, btw how much improvment is really needed for the Firewire? I mean its not just the SCSI , you have to get a Firewire card, which if i am not mistaken is pretty pricy(havent checked in a while) and looking at 10G SCSI cards are like WHOA(not sure how much space he'd really need,) and how much better is a SCSI HDD for the same task. I know Mepg encoding takes a while, but how much of a speed increase is that going to be if you just increase the speed of the harddrive, it's still a CPU intensive process, so then again the CPU is the bottleneck, but&nbsp;&nbsp;I wont say anything about the encoding cards until I find something solid, it's been least a year since I Checked the market for Audio/Video editing equipment. <p>Karl<br><a href=mailto:kb244@kb244.8m.com>kb244@kb244.8m.com</a><br><a href= </a><br>Experienced in , or have messed with : VC++, Borland C++ Builder, VJ++6(starting),VB-Dos, VB1 thru VB6, Delphi 3 pro, Borland C++ 3(DOS), Borland C++ 4.5, HTML,Visual InterDev 6, ASP(WebProgramming), QBasic(least i didnt start with COBOL)
 
hmm check this out:<br><br><A HREF=" TARGET="_new"> <p>Karl<br><a href=mailto:kb244@kb244.8m.com>kb244@kb244.8m.com</a><br><a href= </a><br>Experienced in , or have messed with : VC++, Borland C++ Builder, VJ++6(starting),VB-Dos, VB1 thru VB6, Delphi 3 pro, Borland C++ 3(DOS), Borland C++ 4.5, HTML,Visual InterDev 6, ASP(WebProgramming), QBasic(least i didnt start with COBOL)
 
Also mentions that card above has direct connection to an Ultra-Wide SCSI HDDs. (I assume you can connect an external SCSI Drive, and encode to it) <p>Karl<br><a href=mailto:kb244@kb244.8m.com>kb244@kb244.8m.com</a><br><a href= </a><br>Experienced in , or have messed with : VC++, Borland C++ Builder, VJ++6(starting),VB-Dos, VB1 thru VB6, Delphi 3 pro, Borland C++ 3(DOS), Borland C++ 4.5, HTML,Visual InterDev 6, ASP(WebProgramming), QBasic(least i didnt start with COBOL)
 
Well Karl you beat me to it- but then again some of us have to work!<br>I still have a Miro Video (pinnacle) DC30-plus which is still and excellent board. <br>If you read the specs, it states that 6 min of video can take up to 2 GIG. This is why I stressed the LARGE hard drives. If you noticed it has internal and external SCSI, presumably one for working on your files (internal) and one for storage (external). SCSI is the the weapon of choice for videophobes, and as I should have mentioned earlier there are even special AV SCSI drives spcifically for video editing. <p>Al<br><a href=mailto: atc-computing@home.com> atc-computing@home.com</a><br><a href= > </a><br>
 
hmm interesting, just that I know SCSI drivs are extremely expensive , never would be able afford one. But I understand your point completely. <p>Karl<br><a href=mailto:kb244@kb244.8m.com>kb244@kb244.8m.com</a><br><a href= </a><br>Experienced in , or have messed with : VC++, Borland C++ Builder, VJ++6(starting),VB-Dos, VB1 thru VB6, Delphi 3 pro, Borland C++ 3(DOS), Borland C++ 4.5, HTML,Visual InterDev 6, ASP(WebProgramming), QBasic(least i didnt start with COBOL)
 
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