MS claims Java to be licenced and phased out 2

[1DMF]

Hello,

I have just returned from London having spent the day @ the insight UK I.T. conference/seminar/event.

I later went to the MS stand to discus some issue I had, you know the usual IE6 gripes, IE7 and security ( also see thread608-1193296 )

I asked if issues with Sun had been resolved and that any further implementaions of the Java VM runtime supplied with IE / Windows would meet Java "standards" specification by Sun and accepted by the Java communtiy rather than MS modifying it with there own tweeks, which is why Sun had sued Microsoft over and why Windows XP originaly didn't ship with the Java VM runtime component (which they acknowledge was the case!).

MS confirmed that those problems have long been resolved with Sun and MS will not mess with the Java VM again.

However, they then added, that Sun is about to change the Java VM into a licenced pay per use product in the near future and it is to be phased out anyway as Java/JS is getting a rather old.

I therfore asked what client side scripting will be available to developers if JS is phased out, will it be VB Script I asked, they replied "No" VBS is far to insecure and leaves your computer extremely vunerable as VBS has too much power and accesibility to the OS.

"ok" I said what about Active-X, to which I got the same reply.

So does anyone know if any of this is true, is Java VM to be licenced on a pay per use basis, where will this leave client side scripting, and what will be replacing it if this is true.

How does everyone feel that soon god knows how many websites will not work because undoubtedly if Sun starts charging for the Java VM, most including myself will not be buying it.

And where does that leave AJAX, in the light of this new information, i'm not so sure AJAX will be such a buzz word anymore.

All insight into this dilema is appreciated.

Regards,

1DMF



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[BillyRayPreachersSon]

Um... How does phasing out Java have any bearing on JavaScript? The two are very different in all but name.

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[kaht]

Yeah, you're talking about apples and oranges here....

The java VM has absolutely no bearing on javascript and vice versa.

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[cLFlaVA]

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[cLFlaVA]

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[Foamcow]

Don't worry, they probably didn't realise and quickly ran behind the stand to check the tech manuals.




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[1DMF]

I'm a bit confused, are you saying that the Java VM does not interpret the JS.

That it only works on Java Applets?.

Odly I have the original version of windows XP with NO sun plugins included as standard and JavaScript did not work until I went to sun and installed the Java VM plugin.

So is the browser JS enabled or is it the Java VM plugin.

Who owns JS, operates its standards , implementation, maintenance etc..



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[kaht]

That it only works on Java Applets?.

Bingo

Who owns JS, operates its standards , implementation, maintenance etc..

Netscape originally developed it, but as far as who "owns" it - not sure that anybody does. It's kinda like HTML - every browser interprets it differently. And I don't think anybody "owns" HTML.

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[BillyRayPreachersSon]

From memory (which could well be wrong!), JavaScript was originally going to be called "LiveScript" (and codenamed "Mocha")... but this changed to JavaScript shortly before "going live".

In fact... here you go - some good brief history on how it all came about:

http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/javascript/2001/04/06/js_history.html

http://javascript.about.com/od/reference/a/history.htm

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[1DMF]

As always your a gent

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[1DMF]

thanks for the posts guys and gals, not suprising people get confused, damn you netscape for calling it JavaScript!

Though it has been renamed

The importance of this scripting language was too great to leave its future development in the hands of the competing browser developers and so in 1996 Javascript was handed over to an international standards body called ECMA who then became responsible for the subsequent development of the language. As a result of this the language was officially renamed ECMAScript or ECMA-262 but most people still refer to it as Javascript.

It sounds like an itchy, flaky skin complaint to me!

It seems odd that a language created by netscape became the No.1 client side scripting language yet they didn't keep control of it.

Well at least it's cleared up the Java VM issue i was concerend about, it's still a big issue if it is to be a pay per use licence, although the only java applets I have on my site are games for people to play, there are countles others including some business partners of my day job company whose site won't run without the latest Java VM plugin.

And what will replace it?


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