thanks gamesman, but i don't think i'll be able to follow your advice since I need to change the true created date, and according to other discussions in other groups, the only way is to create an NOTESAPI to change the value... I won't go to that trouble just to change 3-4 documents.. I'll just recreate them with the desired date. Just wondering if there are simpler ways(scripts..formulas ...etc) of doing it. changing the true created date. thx again.