thanks, it is a magix r4 processor, newest release of vm, We have a 412, then 3 016 ETR cards and then the Voice mail. The customer wanted to keep the same extension numbers as their previous phone system, a partner II. Then only upgraded because they were having problems with that system and needed a new one, and were looking to have more than 48 extensions in the future, leaving us with the last few extensions as 67xx. We didnt have SPM because we couldnt get the cd in time, but I went to the avaya website and downloaded the latest version. we now have spm and will be going back monday to finish up the installation. it sounds like we probably do have them in multiple calling groups though. i didnt do much of the programming. also, we meant to put it in hybrid mode, but forgot. Would that have anything to do with it. we dont get to work on these systems much. mostly Partners. thanks again