I don't believe it's possible to do what you're attempting. However, VB forms are really only text files (unless they have embedded graphics) so you could create the form without ever calling VB, as long as you know what controls and properties you want to use. Take a look at a VB form in Notepad to see the format. <p>nick bulka<br><a href=mailto:nick@bulka.com>nick@bulka.com</a><br><a href= > </a><br>