Got any questions for Avaya you'd like me to ask?

[amriddle01]

Going to a Disty thing at Manchester tomorrow to hear about "R7 and beyond" and there is a Q&A session too, any burning questions for them?

ACSS (SME)
APSS (SME)

http://www.ipoffice.tel

"I'm just off to Hartlepool to buy some exploding trousers

 

[SYQUEST]

How about adding a terminal block on the control unit and Phone 30 expansion unit for an external ringing generator for analogue stations!

....JIM....

 

[hairlessupportmonkey]

IPv6 on your internal network.... cant wait for that day :-S

ACSS - SME

 

[DennyHeack]

Actually went to an ipv6 howto from our dsl supplier.

You have now idea how useless ipv4 is when your outside connection is ipv6.

 

[tlpeter]

IPv6 on your internal network.... cant wait for that day :-S

Customers ask for it.
I would not do it either.


BAZINGA!

I'm not insane, my mother had me tested!

 

[Greybeard191]

Having the unique ringing on a line basis (this is available on the Partner version) also available on the standard IPO would be nice... I been asked for this multiple times by customers.

GB

 

[amriddle01]

Well the results are in:

Gigabit ports = "No plans"

VLAN = "No plans"

IPV6 = "No plans"

Microsoft Dynamics 4.0 support = "Use a Devconnect partner"

Avaya One-X Sip client= "Very unlikely but not ruled out"

Avaya Flare = "Slimmed down version coming for IPO", R8?

Quick mode = They think it offers value to sub 20 user sites, how? "Less engineering time to setup"...apparently, or is it really a backdoor to charge licence later (upgrade to pro by another name)?

CCR being crap = "The reports are great and look how good the map is" .....are you mad?

96xx user interface = "We think they work great and offer better value, current 96xx going end of sale in not distant future"


That's all I got before they looked annoyed at all my questions

ACSS (SME)
APSS (SME)

http://www.ipoffice.tel

"I'm just off to Hartlepool to buy some exploding trousers

 

[DennyHeack]

Gigabit ports = "No plans"

VLAN = "No plans"

IPV6 = "No plans"


auch. Even Siemens got this working for a year now.

 

[tlpeter]

No ipv6???
They are stupid.
The same old story like the 9600 phones is happening again.
But only grip requests can help on this.

It is not hard to build.
Ipo will go on linux (have a look in the install script on the apps dvd) and that already supports ipv6.
Gigabit is not needed, the port is not even close to be fully used on a 100.
Vlans also not needed, you program that on the switch.

Quick mode aucks big time.
It is not easier at all.
I will take a bet that i am done quicker on the ipo then on the quick mode.


BAZINGA!

I'm not insane, my mother had me tested!

 

[jamie77]

current 96xx going end of sale in not distant future"

We finally get them and they stop selling them. Wonderfull foresight!!!

I've never personally been asked for IPv6 and don't see many SME's using v6 addressing internally until forced (which will probably never happen!!).

As for IPO going Linux, Avaya have agian left a few hints in the R7 Manager when making an offline config ;-) IPO on linux = Pure IP though. I will miss the 14xx phones!!!!

Jamie Green

Football is not a matter of life and death-It is far more important!!!!

 

[tlpeter]

Jamie, we have had a couple requests for ipv6.
I think you can use an ip500 as a gateway.

BAZINGA!

I'm not insane, my mother had me tested!

 

[amriddle01]

Oh yeah 54xx = Bye bye, but we knew that, also this is just what this Avaya guy said but as we know answers vary even within Avaya departments

ACSS (SME)
APSS (SME)

http://www.ipoffice.tel

"I'm just off to Hartlepool to buy some exploding trousers

 

[DennyHeack]

I've never personally been asked for IPv6 and don't see many SME's using v6 addressing internally until forced (which will probably never happen!!).

That's just it. You don't have a choice. Seting up a ipv6 to ipv4 proxy/nat will be more troublesome then people think.

As soon as ipv6 only connections are uppon us, (very soon probably) you will have ipv6 on the private lan. Unless you find some 'home-scooled' it-guy who 'just cant handle it all'

 

[jamie77]

Don't buy it personally. I don't think it will be soon at all. I've not seen anybody mention IPv6 in anger. I would have thought DSL's and such would have started using it with the advent of BT's 21CN, but not that I've seen.

I remember 5 years ago going on a course (for a hosted solution!!)and listening to a trainer telling me that "Within 3 years, everybody will have to go go SIP. Telcos won't sell alog lines anymore and ADSL wil come on it's own pair of wires. Companies will have to change their PBX's to SIP compatible kit or hosted solutions."

On this course there was 10 people. 8 IT guys trying to understand telephony (if hosted can be called telephony), me and another telecom guy. The IT guys guys hung on every word the trainer said and though it was wonderful and me and my new friend have never laughed so hard!!!!

SIP will maybe become the norm in maybe 10 years. I put IPv6 somewhere similar. There is no way it can be forced on people when thier routers and such won't support it. never mind the old Win 98 machine they cling onto alongside their Pana KX-T!!

Jamie Green

Football is not a matter of life and death-It is far more important!!!!

 

[amriddle01]

ISP's have kit too handle IPv6 to v4 and most people will see no difference

ACSS (SME)
APSS (SME)

http://www.ipoffice.tel

"I'm just off to Hartlepool to buy some exploding trousers

 

[jamie77]

And that is exactly why there is no need for it on the internal LAN!!!

Jamie Green

Football is not a matter of life and death-It is far more important!!!!

 

[tlpeter]

It won't take that long Jamie.
The IANA ( a RIR does do that actually) already gave the last blocks.
IT is a matter of time that all addresses are in use.
When that happens then only ipv6 address can be given out.
Then you cannot go to those webpages.
ISP's will need to give out ipv6 addresses and SIP providers need to do that too.
When they put in a router that can do both then you are OK but when they can't (will happen) then you have a problem.

You are right that it already takes a long time but i think it won't take that long anymore.


BAZINGA!

I'm not insane, my mother had me tested!

 

[DennyHeack]

In about six months ipv6 only hosts will pop-up.
There is no way you can reach those addresses with your current ipv4 connection/lan. Unless:

1) your isp does Proxy/NAT for you and you are supplied a private ipv4 address. And then you NAT again. And 'stuff' wont work

2) double stack. Both ipv4 and ipv6 address on your router and Lan. This will propably become common in the near future.

ipv4 and ipv6 are not interchangable/compatible by design.

Think of it like sending a paper letter to an email address.
Just wont work...

 

[4vayaMan]

What is Avaya thinking! I hear the bickering about CCR and the 9600 series phones (oh btw have you guys seen these new digital 95xx phones?) but this is an "IP" Office. I would think gigabit, vlan, IPv6 capable port would be at the TOP of their list. I agree with Jamie77, I really dont think IPv6 is going to start hitting hard for a few more years, although addresses are running out. However, I do know for a long time ISP's were giving out class C subnets and not .252's. I think there is still IP's to give out after they go back and clean those up. This is frustrating to me that Avaya has no plan on even supporting IPv6, say IPv6 does hit hard in a year - then what? All us business partners are out the door when the customer asks us if our pbx supports it. It's bad enough that our big customers are asking about gigabit...they have gigabit phones....but not a gigabit phone system.