Gartner Group

[jwillis]

What are people's thoughts on the opinions of Gartner Group as "The Voice of IT" and "the leading authority on IT"? Is it a good value of service to subscribers?

 

[Ghost]

jwillis,<br><br>First, not sure if this is the correct forum to post your question in.&nbsp;&nbsp;There is a forum for people who buy research from Gartner elsewhere on this site.&nbsp;&nbsp;Not a lot of members and no posting however.<br><br>Second, to reply to your question there are a lot of news organizations that want to control folks and try to knuckle them into thinking what they want.&nbsp;&nbsp;Don't let Gartners claims upset you.&nbsp;&nbsp;They all do it.<br><br>Legacy research outfits are reporting yesterday's hash.<br><br>Third,&nbsp;&nbsp;I've never paid for any information from Gartner personally so they may be the exception to my rule.<br><br>Personally, I like keeping my ear to the ground on this site.&nbsp;&nbsp;Seems to me that the easiest to use products will be the ones to ultimately win out -- despite how much marketing is shoved behind the &quot;clunkers&quot;.<br><br>Just my two cents.&nbsp;&nbsp;<br><br>Ghost

 

[bigscouse]

Sorry Ghost but I disagree, the easiest to use or the best often gives way to the product with the most push. For example Betmax was a much better product than VHS. <br>Working in I.T for more than 20 years I have seen some excellent products disapear due to poor marketing or some&nbsp;&nbsp;bigger company smothering the product.<br>There is a lesson here and that is to make sure that you do not get locked into one particular technology and/or skill set, what is popular today could be tomorrow's dodo. Keep your eye on new technologies, expand your experince whenever you can, and be willing to take on new challenges. <p>Ged Jones<br><a href=mailto:gedejones@hotmail.com>gedejones@hotmail.com</a><br><a href= > </a><br>

 

[Ghost]

I agree there are some excellent ideas/technologies that have gotten buried by the &quot;shouters&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp;But, the focus of my comments was how a &quot;Gartner&quot; type organization tries to influence the war.<br><br>The legacy information spinners like Gartner get wined and dined by the technology companies.&nbsp;&nbsp;Than they turn around and offer &quot;insightful&quot; analysis as to what we are all thinking about it.&nbsp;&nbsp;They don't really USE the products like the people here.<br><br>Well, spinning used to work really well up until about 5 years ago.&nbsp;&nbsp;Now, more people keep their ear to forums like this to make sure they don't buy the wrong stuff....<br><br>All I'm saying is that the shouters will still make their money.&nbsp;&nbsp;But, there are cracks in their armor and things like Linux just can't be stopped.<br><br>Ghost

 

[bigscouse]

Yes, I agree.<br>I have noticed with the dawn of the internet people are more able to get advice and indformation from more varied sources.<br>Hopefully we will see more empahsis on things like quality, 'value for money', ease of use' etc.. rather than hard sell and 'back room dealing'.<br><br> <p>Ged Jones<br><a href=mailto:gedejones@hotmail.com>gedejones@hotmail.com</a><br><a href= > </a><br>

 

[Ghost]

Ged,<br><br>AMEN to that!&nbsp;&nbsp;That &quot;back room dealing&quot; leads to idiot CEO's and &quot;project management&quot; CIO's taking a bunch of crap they get from the &quot;top down push&quot; (slang for Gartners, computer magazines, slick technical sales people, and ego stroking board room storming deals) instead of keeping their ear on the tracks for the &quot;bottom up swell&quot;.<br><br>How many times have you seen technical professionals go home totally frustrated because some technical decision got made above them and they were told to &quot;just do it&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp;That's the stuff that makes resumes get updated.&nbsp;&nbsp;<br><br>Sorry about drawling on here, but I've got a VERY sensitive radar for back room dealing.&nbsp;&nbsp;It drives me crazy.<br><br>You know we can't always steer everything the way we want.&nbsp;&nbsp;But atleast it's healthy to get all the decisions on the table and atleast agree the decision was political instead of some non-technical person jamming charts and white papers down your throat about how wrong you are.<br><br>Ghost