Dear bigfoot,<br><br>> it's harder then setting up a dsn and using 3 lines of code to connect me to ado.<br><br>It should not be! You can actually just use a DSN to make a data-connection! Should only be a few clicks. Once you have the data connection you can place a Recordset DTC on your page a your off to the races. You can use the recordset in other DTC's or even write code to use the recordset.<br><br>I certainly do a lot of mixing in my sites. By mixing I mean I use the DTC's and my own code blocks when needed. Using DTC's for simple tasks like creating a recordset makes the code easier to read.<br><br>Now if your not going to take advantage of the DTC's round trip power (server/client/server) then you might not want to bother and learn how to use them. But I have coded data form based pages many times using both DTC's and all hand written code. I'll take Interdev and the DTC's anytime thank you.<br><br>"But, that's just my opinion... I could be wrong".<br>-pete