i few questions below i was aking if i could disable/enable a subform based on password etc. one of the suggestions was using an input box for pw entry and setting visible property etal.<br><br>things work grat as long as i use the input box function but if i want to use a custon input box for password entry how can i get it to access the visible p-roperty on the subform to turn it on. can you do it similarly to using the inputbox funtion. the reason i ask is that i get all kind of reference errors when i try to use a custon form for input. when i try and turn the visible property back on it tells me it cant find the control or that the form is closed or locked yada, yada, yada.....<br><br>when i'm doing this i have my main form w/ the subforms on screen and the custon pw box pops up in front to allow my entry. my main form is never closed...what stupid little thing am i overlooking!!!! it's been one of those days