Thanks for that, I think I'll stick to 8.5 for the time being. One more question though, I've been writing a series of reports using CR 8 Developer. They are nothing fancy just reports using Parameter/Formula fields, graphs, Oracle database/crystal dictionary's etc... We would like to distribute these .Rpt files and supply a version of CR. The cheapest option is CR 8.5 standard, is there any reason why these reports created on CR 8 Dev will not work on CR 8.5 Standard? Also Does anybody recommend/not recommend the 'Upgrade Advantage' option? Thanks.