Has anyone remembered .... ? Has anyone remembered .... ? Mike Lewis (Programmer) (OP) 29 Jun 20 08:17 Nobody here seems to have remembered the significant anniversary we should be noting this month. Mike __________________________________ Mike Lewis (Edinburgh, Scotland) Visual FoxPro articles, tips and downloads RE: Has anyone remembered .... ? GriffMG (Programmer) 29 Jun 20 09:33 Go on Mike, do tell! Regards Griff Keep ing There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't. I'm trying to cut down on the use of shrieks (exclamation marks), I'm told they are !good for you. RE: Has anyone remembered .... ? David Higgs (Programmer) 29 Jun 20 09:35 VFP V 3.0 Launched 25 Years ago? Regards, David. Recreational user of VFP. RE: Has anyone remembered .... ? GriffMG (Programmer) 29 Jun 20 09:37 Finest hour speech 80 years ago? Regards Griff Keep ing There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't. I'm trying to cut down on the use of shrieks (exclamation marks), I'm told they are !good for you. RE: Has anyone remembered .... ? David Higgs (Programmer) 29 Jun 20 09:37 VFP dropped 10 years ago? Regards, David. Recreational user of VFP. RE: Has anyone remembered .... ? Olaf Doschke (Programmer) 29 Jun 20 10:51 Then you know this more exactly than http://www.foxprohistory.org/foxprotimeline.htm I was between school and studying physics at the time. I thought someone said 30th anniversary. Well, I was in the middle of studying physics in 1995, still not working as a developer. That started in 1999. But no, I had no hands in y2k, neither the bug nor the fixing. It rather started with Perl and Web (ASP classic). But yes, Mike Lewis, Dan Olsson, Tamar Granor, when she reads this, Dan Freeman, if he ever reads tek-tips anymore, I hope you're well. Bye, Olaf. Olaf Doschke Software Engineering https://www.doschke.name RE: Has anyone remembered .... ? Mike Lewis (Programmer) (OP) 29 Jun 20 12:10 Quote:VFP V 3.0 Launched 25 Years ago You've got it, David. It was in June 1995, in the run-up to the launch of Windows 95 a few weeks later. I thought a few more of the folk here would have known the date, but maybe there aren't so many of us oldies around any more. Mike __________________________________ Mike Lewis (Edinburgh, Scotland) Visual FoxPro articles, tips and downloads RE: Has anyone remembered .... ? Dan Olsson (Programmer) 29 Jun 20 12:22 Oh, yes we are here. I started with FPD 2.0 :) RE: Has anyone remembered .... ? Mukesh Khandelwal (Programmer) 29 Jun 20 15:07 I also started from dbase/foxbase and foxpro for Unix Mukesh Khandelwal RE: Has anyone remembered .... ? David Higgs (Programmer) 29 Jun 20 15:36 Quote (Mike Lewis)You've got it, David. It was in June 1995, in the run-up to the launch of Windows 95 a few weeks later. I was using dBaseIII+ / dBaseIV at that time (for my Railway Databases) and eventually changed to VFP Ver 6 / Ver 9 (for my Railway and Amateur Radio Databases). Regards, David. Recreational user of VFP. RE: Has anyone remembered .... ? Mike Gagnon (Programmer) 29 Jun 20 16:37 Quote (Mike Lewis) but maybe there aren't so many of us oldies around any more. Still here. Although I skipped VFP3 and ended up as a beta tester for VFP4. If you want to get the best response to a question, please check out FAQ184-2483: How to get the best response from the forum first. RE: Has anyone remembered .... ? mjcmkrsr (TechnicalUser) 30 Jun 20 06:21 Hi, I started with DBASE II beginning of the 80s of last millennium then DBASE III. DBASE IV was a total disaster and I switched to FP 2 then FPW then VFP up to 9. Happy Birthday MK RE: Has anyone remembered .... ? Mike Lewis (Programmer) (OP) 30 Jun 20 08:07 Fascinating to see that so many of us were around in those heady days of 1995 - and much earlier in many cases. But I think I can beat you all (except possibly MK). I claim to be the first person in the UK to have developed an application in dBASE. (At least, I've been saying that for the last 35 years or so, and so far nobody has contradicted me.) It was in 1982 (if memory serves). I was visiting a client, a computer dealer in central London. They had just received an evaluation copy of this new database tool. It was in a big grey ring-binder with two 8-inch floppy disks. It was called dBASE II. They didn't know what to do with it, so they gave it to me to look at. Soon afterwards, I get a commission to develop an order processing system for an agricultural marketing business. I was mainly use MBASIC at the time, but I thought, why not try this new dBASE thing. You can guess the rest. I never went back to Basic. After that, I moved up though dBASE III Plus (which allowed a massive ten tables to be open at a time, compared to just two for dBASE II). Then to dBASE IV (a bit of a disappointment, to say the least). I dabbled briefly with Quicksilver (anyone remember that?) and Clipper. I came to Foxbase Plus around 1986, and have been with Fox ever since. I could go on ... but I won't bore you any longer. Mike __________________________________ Mike Lewis (Edinburgh, Scotland) Visual FoxPro articles, tips and downloads RE: Has anyone remembered .... ? GriffMG (Programmer) 30 Jun 20 10:07 I think I started with dBaseII in maybe 1985, a bloke from another department, I worked in a Drawing Office, left a book on my desk and I read it over Christmas - it was about how a fella had written a database to help gather funds from his college alumni in the USA and I was entranced. When I returned to work after the break, I asked if I could play on this guy's work computer in the evenings and weekends, he said yes and I developed a kind of library application for the drawings of all the Shell platforms in the Southern North Sea - if you needed to alter one, you had to book it out, make a copy to replace it while you worked on it and then put your new version back in when you were done. They used it for years. From dBaseII I moved to Clipper at some point, Summer 87 version - so that would be 87 or 88, still look after one Clipper App, now reworked in xBase++. Fell into a job maintaining a VFP3 system and never looked back - I've never found anything better or quicker to work in than dBase type languages, and the best variant of that is VFP9 by a country mile. That said I don't generally do new things in that now, everything is going web based. Regards Griff Keep ing There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't. I'm trying to cut down on the use of shrieks (exclamation marks), I'm told they are !good for you. RE: Has anyone remembered .... ? David Higgs (Programmer) 30 Jun 20 11:21 Quote (Mike Lewis)I could go on ... but I won't bore you any longer. I enjoy reading how the various applications evolved over the years. I don't think I will be capable of taking on another Database variant, VFP & MySQL push me to my limits as it is! I can't remember being disappointed in the move from dBaseIII+ to dBASEIV but obviously later felt the need to move away from a DOS based application to a WIndows based application, enter VFP 6.0 ! Regards, David. Recreational user of VFP. RE: Has anyone remembered .... ? Nigel Gomm (Programmer) 30 Jun 20 16:22 Mike, of course, almost by definition, those that were working with fox back then can barely remember why they walked into a room these days let alone a VFP anniversary. n p.s. that includes me obviously. RE: Has anyone remembered .... ? Mike Lewis (Programmer) (OP) 30 Jun 20 17:02 How right you are, Nigel. Mike __________________________________ Mike Lewis (Edinburgh, Scotland) Visual FoxPro articles, tips and downloads RE: Has anyone remembered .... ? James Long (Programmer) 1 Jul 20 01:36 I started with dBase II and then did some work in Foxbase. Later used dBXL which was compiled to an exe at that time when the others weren't (I think). RE: Has anyone remembered .... ? Scott24x7 (Programmer) 1 Jul 20 04:35 Mike, The reason so many "old timers" may not remember it so much (as that "date"), is it seems like myself, many did not make a migration to VFP initially. I looked at VFP 3.0, and was in attendance at the October DevCon in Phoenix later that year, where MS gave everyone in attendance a copy of VFP 3.0, and then again in 1996 in San Diego where VFP 5.0 was handed round. It wasn't until VFP 6.0 though, that I finally "crossed over" into the OOP world, and started to bash out some new things, and finally making the full cross over (after a few "failed" attempts with earlier versions). For a number of reasons, including OOP being somewhat foreign initially, and the buggy VFP 3, making the curve steeper. So I don't have a fond memory of the launch of VFP 3, because it was not particularly memorable or useful to me initially. But there it is. It was 1995. :) Best Regards, Scott MSc ISM, MIET, MASHRAE, CDCP, CDCS, CDCE, CTDC, CTIA, ATS "I try to be nice, but sometimes my mouth doesn't cooperate." RE: Has anyone remembered .... ? TamarGranor (Programmer) 1 Jul 20 20:24 And my reason for not knowing the date is the opposite of @Scott24x7's. I was a beta tester, so started working with VFP 3 way, way before it shipped. (I finally threw out the 3.5" disks from some of the early builds a few years ago.) I don't even know the actual date when HackFox shipped. What's funny about all this is the dates (and numbers more generally) actually stick in my head, but these dates weren't the kind I cared about. Tamar RE: Has anyone remembered .... ? Tom Borgmann (Programmer) 2 Jul 20 06:02 in 1994 I just had finished my first word processor written in a unix language making lots of use of 'awk' and 'sed' for spelling correction, db access for mail merge and so on. I was then asked to try a tool called VisualBasic 3.0 for making the switch to windows. After two weeks I was convinced that VB wasn't a tool to build fast datacentric apps and should never be used by us. After that I had just begun to play around with a tool that used some kind of object based Pascal but I can't remember its name anymore. And then someone came up with trying FPW2.5 and short time later 2.6. I still can remember how much work we did, just to give the forms a 3d look by placing light and dark grey lines around all the text- and comboboxes. Man, I would have killed the guy that came up with this idiotic idea (if it hadn't been me, though). After a few weeks we had our first windows based app running and then had to learn, that shipping it was a whole other story. Including and excluding the correct files/tables was a process I learned as I installed the software at the first customer. Shortly after that, VFP 3.0 came up and we grabbed it with a vengeance. At that time it did real miracles and we could only laugh at another department that was still trying OOP with VB3. My, those poor dudes made our day on a hourly basis. Some years later they eventually switched to Delphi. Well that's a long time ago, but I hadn't placed it in 95 if Mike hadn't come up with it. Now I'm just indulging in nostalgia :) At that time our main app was still programmed in SCO UNIX and we started switching it to windows with VFP 6 then. Our first attempt was to immitate the informix tables with VFPs own database but after 2 years we dropped that attempt because of to many damaged indexes and too many data that had to be stored and way too many users that needed access. So when the Y2K works ended we made the switch to ODBC and that was (after selecting VFP as development platform) the 2nd best decision ever. -Tom -Tom https://www.blogger.com/profile/089031659767875220... RE: Has anyone remembered .... ? Phil Thoms (Programmer) 2 Jul 20 07:26 Interesting memories. I Started with Dbase II in 1985, followed by Dbase III and Foxbase. FoxPro 1.0 and 2.0 for DOS then 2.5 and 2.6 for Windows. VFP 3 in 1995/6, VFP 5 a short time later and stayed with VFP 6 from the late nineties. By now I should have updated to VFP 9 but VFP 6 has always fulfilled requirements. Still maintaining some programs written in FP 2.6 for Windows. Happy days. RE: Has anyone remembered .... ? Olaf Doschke (Programmer) 2 Jul 20 13:09 My first encounter was with VFP6, and it was a steep learning curve even for someone with experience in several languages from C/C++ over Pascal, Basic/VBA, Perl, and PHP. I had to rewrite a lab software, not just a mere business application. Including COM-Port addressing of electronic Scales, for example. And data transfer via ZMODEM, later simpler by Floppy and Thumbdrive. And the goalposts were shifted by large from the original version, so there was no inheritance or reuse of old code. The largest aspect of the design phase was given on the redesign of data - ca. 100 tables with individual structures were put into a set of <10 tables in 4NF database design. Bye, Olaf. Olaf Doschke Software Engineering https://www.doschke.name RE: Has anyone remembered .... ? Auguy (Programmer) 3 Jul 20 18:51 Boy that was a long time ago. Hope all of you old timers are doing well (Mike, Olaf, Tamar), surely I'm forgetting somebody. Thanks to all of you that have helped me over the years. Back in the good old days I used to take a 5 minute drive over to Perrysburg Ohio to pick up my Fox DOS updates. Auguy Sylvania/Toledo Ohio RE: Has anyone remembered .... ? rob444 (Programmer) 4 Jul 20 08:27 I also started with Dbase II in the 80's and used Dbase III and Foxbase 1 and 2 and quickly found that nothing was faster than Foxbase, continued with foxbase 2.5 and 2.6 and the windows versions but at the time I was not charmed by Windows at all so I didn't use that as much but with VFP 3 and 5 I completely switched to windows and of course continued with VFP6-9. Too bad that there still is no real successor to VFP9!