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Maximum use of resources.

Maximum use of resources.

Maximum use of resources.

(OP)
I am finding my WIN10 computer very slow these days and would welcome some advice on how to sort it out.

When I run a couple of memory intensive programmes, the machine slows down to a crawl.

If I have Facebook and Photoshop open at the same time, Task monitor reports 60%+ CPU usage even when it is processing very little. I appreciate that applications like Facebook are very demanding with regards to resources but I have an XP box which handles both of these programs without breaking into a sweat.
If I open more than 3 websites up, at least one of them fails to respond. Even the Tek-Tips website takes ages to load and I am informed it is fine so what could be wrong?

I have done all the malware checks and very little is activated at start up so I have no idea why it is so slow.
What can I do to make this new computer work at a reasonable speed and not like a 20 year old antique?

Keith
www.studiosoft.co.uk

RE: Maximum use of resources.

What are the specs of your computer? Either brand/model or motherboard/processor/memory if home built.
How much RAM? I wouldn't have less than 8GB RAM
Hard drive - SSD or spinning hard drive? An SSD makes a huge difference if your motherboard supports SATA 3.

Those are the two most important hardware bits. After that it's what's starting up on your computer. You can use a program like Process Explorer to view all running processes and Autoruns to turn off selected programs from starting when Windows starts. Just be careful if you don't know what you're doing because you can make your system non-bootable.

What malware checks have you done? I use ADWCleaner first (then clean what it finds, then reboot). Then I use ESET Online Scanner.

"Living tomorrow is everyone's sorrow.
Modern man's daydreams have turned into nightmares."

RE: Maximum use of resources.

Another thought: What security software are you using? Is that any different between your Win10 PC and the XP PC?

"But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 Corinthians 15:57

RE: Maximum use of resources.

Personally the best bet to speed up your machine is memory, especially if it slows down when you have multiple processes running. I just upgraded my laptop from 4 gig to 16 gig using name brand chips for $65 US. And as long as you ground yourself while replacing the memory cards, it is very easy to upgrade your own machine. There are instructional videos on youtube for just about any computer.

Bill
Lead Application Developer
New York State, USA

RE: Maximum use of resources.

(OP)
I use Malwarebytes Anti Malware and F-Secure on both machines.
Spec -
ACER AMD E1-1200 APU
5GB RAM
There is nothing too demanding running on the machine from start up.
The WIN10 box has been slow from Day one.
The WIN10 box is a much higher spec than the XP box but with a much poorer performance which brings me to the conclusion that WIN10 is the problem.

Keith
www.studiosoft.co.uk

RE: Maximum use of resources.

5 gig for windows 10 is kinda low. it's not really happy under 8gig. It will run but it's a real dog.

Bill
Lead Application Developer
New York State, USA

RE: Maximum use of resources.

I would argue that an SSD is a much better "improver" of performance than memory ASSUMING you are above 4GB of RAM. I have done about 10 SSD upgrades from traditional hard drives for customers and even computers that only support SATA 2 were much more responsive. I was shocked at the last one I did - it was transformational.

You didn't mention the hard drive type (brand/model) and I'm still not clear on the PC model.

Personally, I would get the SSD first then get up to 8GB of RAM after you see the performance increase.

"Living tomorrow is everyone's sorrow.
Modern man's daydreams have turned into nightmares."

RE: Maximum use of resources.

AMD E-1200 APU is bottom of the barrel, That APU is slower than an old Athlon II, and Celeron (penryn core) SO, slower than a cpu from 7 years ago. Now, if both machines are running the same hardware, then yes, the XP machine would be faster, XP needs a lot less resources than Win10 does, not even close.

RE: Maximum use of resources.

Yeah - I just looked that up. Maybe a case of buying too cheap of a computer to spend much on upgrading it. The PC I upgraded with an SSD that made such a huge difference was the following. Can't say whether upgrades will help the OP's PC.

HP P6-2176S
Intel Pentium CPU G640 @ 2.80GHz
4GB RAM
Windows 10 Home 64-bit

Moved from WD Blue 500GB 7200 RPM to a 128GB Intel SSD 520

"Living tomorrow is everyone's sorrow.
Modern man's daydreams have turned into nightmares."

RE: Maximum use of resources.

(OP)
WIN10 takes the CPU up to 98% even when loading a couple of websites, what resources is WIN10 running which causes this?

The same websites load in a fraction of the time on much lower spec machines using XP.

I realise that a faster machine with more memory would speed things up but the machine is chugging yet it is hardly doing any work.

Keith
www.studiosoft.co.uk

RE: Maximum use of resources.

rclarke250 nailed it, and you verified with your last question, stating cpu utilization. sometimes some websites can put a hurt on some low to midrange cpus, but in this case, it sounds certainly that the CPU is the issue.

It's just a lousy processor and low-end system. I've seen at least one brand new system before that was that bad or worse. The folks purchased it for a family member b/c they got it "free" on black friday. Well, it was a waste of even "free" for being so bad and being brand new. In your case, it may be best to just cut your losses and move on from this one. Either that, or if you want to kill some time maybe try running a low-resource-usage Linux distro on it. smile

"But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 Corinthians 15:57

RE: Maximum use of resources.

Google your exact model number and SLOW and see what you get.

"Living tomorrow is everyone's sorrow.
Modern man's daydreams have turned into nightmares."

RE: Maximum use of resources.

(OP)
I have 3 of the same machine in my office. Two of them run on XP and cope with very processor intensive tasks controlling CAD packages and vinyl cutters and they never complain at all. The third one, running WIN10 couldn't cope so was used only for general office work and gave us no end of trouble.
I took it home and set it up on my home network and the problems continued.
Computer 'experts' have always blamed the machine but my experience has concluded that it is WIN10 itself which is at fault here.

Keith
www.studiosoft.co.uk

RE: Maximum use of resources.

Well, you can blame Windows 10 for needing a better computer than you have, or you can blame the computer for not being good enough to run Windows 10. And running a Vinyl cutter doesn't take much cpu or memory, I run a 3d printer on a 8 bit Arduino cpu, it is just gcode commands to the stepper motors, the basis of any CNC based machine. As for the CAD program, depends on the Cad program, Tinkercad runs in a browser. Load Photoshop on there, and tell me how well you do, or Encode a movie.

RE: Maximum use of resources.

(OP)
The same CAD program really struggles on the WIN10 computer and that is what I am basing my findings on.
I use Photoshop and Power Director on the XP machines without issues but they are very slow on the WIN10 box.
I suspected that WIN10 was resource hungry and therefore needed a higher spec machine but I thought I would check with you guys to see if I was missing something.

Keith
www.studiosoft.co.uk

RE: Maximum use of resources.

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WIN10 takes the CPU up to 98% even when loading a couple of websites, what resources is WIN10 running which causes this?

Download the Sysinternals Suite if you don't have it already and launch Process Explorer (procexp.exe). This is a lot like task manager in Windows, but it shows you a lot more detail. You might be able to deduce which app(s) are causing the headaches.

Aside from hardware upgrades/replacements, I would suggest you take a good long look at Device Manager. Make sure all major components (hard drive, GPU, etc.) are not flagged or running on outdated drivers (visit the PC vendor's website to verify you are on the latest). Also as a test, disable all apps that startup in the background at bootup (even better, uninstall them for now). This is especially important for Antivirus, Anti-malware and firewall applications. You may not think they are causing any issues, as stated above in one of your earlier posts, but I still recommend disabling them all temporarily. If doing so helps, you can re-enable them one at a time to narrow down the cause.

-Carl
"The glass is neither half-full nor half-empty: it's twice as big as it needs to be."

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RE: Maximum use of resources.

(OP)
I only run antivirus from startup, all other apps are disabled. The machine has been running slower after each update.
I have the same programs running on an identical machine but using XP as the OS and the XP machine is a lot faster.
I have done quite a lot of experimenting with the machine to work out what is wrong and it all comes back to WIN10 and it's overbearing processes.

Keith
www.studiosoft.co.uk

RE: Maximum use of resources.

Win10 does require more horespower than WinXP, no question. But how old is the hardware you're talking about. The Operating Systems require more resources compared to older versions of the same OS for I'd suggest 2 main reasons:
  1. They are built for "current" hardware - not 5 or 10 year old hardware.
  2. They simply do more stuff. XP was "better" in this same sense over Windows 95 and 98, for example, in how it can install new hardware. Windows 10 has further improved in that area.

"But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 Corinthians 15:57

RE: Maximum use of resources.

"overbearing processes"
Only for a wimpy computer like you have - let's be clear. Never buy bottom of the barrel computers.

"Living tomorrow is everyone's sorrow.
Modern man's daydreams have turned into nightmares."

RE: Maximum use of resources.

(OP)
I agree that a faster computer would work better but that is just common sense.
A faster computer would simply mask the inadequacies of a poorly written OS.

Keith
www.studiosoft.co.uk

RE: Maximum use of resources.

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A faster computer would simply mask the inadequacies of a poorly written OS

So by that logic, Windows XP was poorly written in comparison to Windows 2000 and Windows 98, simply because it couldn't run as fast on the same hardware? I don't think so. The truth is there is a lot more going on in the background with each newer OS release, not to mention more bells and whistles. Aero is a good example of something that was added in Vista bumping up system requirements from the XP era. Comparing how XP and Windows 10 run on the same hardware is not a very good comparison any way you look at it. There were 3 iterations released between them (Vista, 7, and 8).

Quote:

I only run antivirus from startup

Indulge us and uninstall it. If you're truly interested in getting to the bottom of the issue, then this is worth the 20-30 minutes it would take to remove, test, and reinstall. If you're not willing to take chances at this point, then don't waste any more time here.


And finally, you have yet to say what you found using Process Explorer, as I suggested above. If you've never used it, it's worth a look. No installation necessary to open and run it.

-Carl
"The glass is neither half-full nor half-empty: it's twice as big as it needs to be."

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RE: Maximum use of resources.

(OP)
What are System Idle Processes - they seem to be using over 50% CPU most of the time?

Keith
www.studiosoft.co.uk

RE: Maximum use of resources.

Pretty much what it sounds like - a thread that gets scheduled to run whenever a CPU core isn't able to schedule any other actual thread, i.e. is idling, waiting for a real thread to be scheduled. It doesn't really use the CPU, the CPU usage value really just indicates how much CPU time is not being used by other threads.

RE: Maximum use of resources.

Quote:

Indulge us and uninstall it.

Not a bad idea. I saw a Windows XP PC that ran like it had molasses poured in it that perked up immediately after a-v removal. Something was wrong with the a-v program due to a damaged installation or something. It was remarkable.

"Living tomorrow is everyone's sorrow.
Modern man's daydreams have turned into nightmares."

RE: Maximum use of resources.

(OP)
Removing the AV did speed it up but I would expect that as all downloaded material is scanned before it hits the machine.
Even with the AV removed it is still noticeably slower than it was this time last year (before the bloaty upgrades).

Keith
www.studiosoft.co.uk

RE: Maximum use of resources.

Let's get this straight - System Idle Process
System idle process is the percentage of the CPU that is not doing anything. If system idle process is using 98% of your CPU, that means you're actually only utilizing 2% of it. You'll notice if you start up a game or something, system idle will go down and the game will go up. You want it to be as near to 100% as possible.

"Living tomorrow is everyone's sorrow.
Modern man's daydreams have turned into nightmares."

RE: Maximum use of resources.

Here's another thought. It can be time-consuming at times, but you may be able to find a few quick hit items right off the bat. If you disable some unnecessary services for what you're using the computer for, you may see a rather large increase in performance. I know when I'd tweak older computers even to run Windows XP, I'd go through and disable several processes I knew were not going to be used. Some, of course, have bigger impacts than others.

"But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 Corinthians 15:57

RE: Maximum use of resources.

Install a 32-bit Windows 10. It makes more efficient use of nearly every hardware resource and there may be better driver support for your video adapter and other peripheral devices. Unless you are doing things that specifically benefit from 64-bit Windows it is usually the wrong choice.

The performance issues you are seeing may stem from that far more than other changes you have made. You are comparing apples and oranges unless you were running 64-bit XP, which seems unlikely since hardware vendors hadn't pushed Microsoft to help them sell more through that marketing manipulation yet.

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