they want me to get a flu shot
they want me to get a flu shot
(OP)
I am a system administrator. I work on computers. I happen to do that work for a hospital organization and rarely leave my cubicle. I don't deal with patients or sick people. But yesterday, our manager told us he wants us all to get flu shots.
Anyone got any suggestions on how to get out of this? Flu shots are dangerous and accomplish absolutely nothing. Plus, it may react negatively with some of the alternative medicines I take. There is no reason for me to get one and no reason for them to tell me to get one.
Anyone got any suggestions on how to get out of this? Flu shots are dangerous and accomplish absolutely nothing. Plus, it may react negatively with some of the alternative medicines I take. There is no reason for me to get one and no reason for them to tell me to get one.
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RE: they want me to get a flu shot
Opinions are not arguments and likely to fail.
I would start with your union rep. I all likelihood, as you work in a medical environment, I would find it likely that your union has agreed to these measures and you would need a doctor to sign off on your exemption.
If you are not in a union, employment standards would apply. Again, I would find it likely that you cannot refuse except with the express permission of a doctor.
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What! You NEVER encounter ANYONE either during working hours or not during working hours?
I can sympathize with being forced to comply with some procedure that you deem unimportant. I seethed at being forced to have pee-in-the-cup random drug testing but I knew that it was either pee or get another job. Fortunately, somebody else's drug problem is not contagious.
Who knows: maybe your company is getting a break in their health insurance cost by sticking every employee with flu shots.
Skip,
Just traded in my OLD subtlety...
for a NUance!
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You risk killing someone's elderly mother or father if you get the flu and go out into society sneezing and dripping the virus all about. I think it's just selfish if you don't get one, again barring any LOGICAL reason.
"Living tomorrow is everyone's sorrow.
Modern man's daydreams have turned into nightmares."
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The medical history argument is likely the best way to get out of this. I will see what I can do. I am already fully committed to leaving this job anyway.
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I'm getting the sense that you simply want someone to agree with you. I agree that you should leave the job.
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No they aren't 'dangerous', that's just what the conspiracy "experts" claim, when using fifty year old dis-information to provide 'evidence'.
For the vast majority of reasonably healthy individuals they make very little to no difference to the state of your health after the 'shot'.
Chris.
Indifference will be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?
Time flies like an arrow, however, fruit flies like a banana.
Never mind this jesus character, stars had to die for me to live.
RE: they want me to get a flu shot
In the same fashion that I criticised OP for his opinion stated as fact, I cannot let a statement such as this stand.
No vaccine is without risk. Some are more prone to risk than others. Some have had incidences of increased risk due to contamination or poor procedures that have affected popular public opinon negatively and permanently. Everyone has their own threshold of acceptable risk. Most people's threshold for the risk/benefit assessment falls on the benefit side. Some people have difficulty accepting any risk.
The Flu Shot is one of the safest vaccines available and has one of the lowest risk assessments possible. In my opinion, anyone without a medically backed reason should consider getting a flu shot. Anyone who works in an environment where there are people at high health risk from flu symptoms, should be required to protect themselves and others. I have found in the past that work contracts in these environments typically require vaccination as a term of employment.
For more information on the risks / safety see: CDC - Flu Vaccine Safety Information
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Modern Influenza vaccines, which is the topic of the thread, do not use a 'live virus' in low doses, the virus is 'inactivated' so about the only 'risk' is being allergic to eggs.
Chris.
Indifference will be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?
Time flies like an arrow, however, fruit flies like a banana.
Never mind this jesus character, stars had to die for me to live.
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And yet, you then agree that the flu shot is "one of the safest vaccines available and has one of the lowest risk assessments possible".
So what is it you are not letting stand? Seems to me Chris was 100% correct to say that the flu shot is not dangerous (not dangerous is not the same thing as without risk, especially where the risk is very, very minor). And even risk also has to be seen in context. A minor risk of a sore arm, for example, versus death.
RE: they want me to get a flu shot
Barring that, I do believe in flu shots. Also, when working in health care, it's part of the job. You may not work with patients or sick people, but you probably do come in contact with people that do. My wife works in health care and has to take a number of shots each year to be able to work in a hospital. It's part of the job.
What you need to do is man-up and talk to your boss. Tell him you don't want to take the shot for personal reasons and ask if it's a requirement. If he says it's not a requirement, you're off the hook. If he says you need to get it, then you need to again, man-up and either quit or get a flu shot. Flip a coin if you can't decide. It's really quite simple.
What you shouldn't do is go on the Internet looking for people to side with you. That's stupid. You can find people to side with ANY position on the Internet.
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You can't get flu from a flu shot. There's no live flu virus involved. This is not opinion or anecdote. It is fact.
You can however get flu after having a shot, because a) it takes about 14 days for the antibodies to develop subsequent to getting the shot and b) sometimes there is a strain of flu around that the shot does not protect inoculate against (WHO mostly get it right, but not always)
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Probably not full blown Influenza, as when the 'flu shot was a very low dose 'live' virus, you can develop "flu-like symptoms" a day or so after, simply because your immune system does what it is supposed to and 'attacks' the infiltrator, thus building the necessary anti-bodies then flushing out the 'foreign' material and while this bout of 'chemical warfare' is being fought in your body you might feel a 'bit rough'.
Chris.
Indifference will be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?
Time flies like an arrow, however, fruit flies like a banana.
Never mind this jesus character, stars had to die for me to live.
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If Chris had just said the Flu shot is not dangerous then I would not have had anything to say.
Unfortunately, he continued with
That part of his statement is not true and just as inflammatory as the original. Using hyperbole to argue with hyperbole is pointless and does not further your argument.
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Chris.
Indifference will be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?
Time flies like an arrow, however, fruit flies like a banana.
Never mind this jesus character, stars had to die for me to live.
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That word "about" covers a lot of things. You seem to be stating that the only concern is having an egg allergy when that is not in fact the case.
Keep in mind, a lot of people are unaware of whether they are allergic or not and some people, like myself, develope allergies later in life. I can no longer take any penicillin derived antibiotic for example and I was fine until 51 yrs of age.
Another thing to keep in mind other than Egg Allergies
Further re:GBS
So there is debate about whether the vaccine can cause GBS in 1 or 2 cases per 1 million people. The data is not conclusive but until it is this MUST be considered a risk.
So, don't attempt to dismiss the risks with incomplete data. I am quite confident that this is not a complete list as I only took 10 minutes collecting the info.
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And 1-2 per million is, in any case ... well, very, very, very tiny.
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1-2 / million is low granted but when 100's of millions are vaccinated yearly the number of cases become significant.
You seem to be mistaking me for arguing against vaccination. That is not the case. I am simply supporting my statements that rinks exist to be assessed and the Egg sensitivity is not the only consideration.
I consider the benefits to outweigh the risks significantly (For the record)
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It's about getting mankind to the stars.
We've got enough crap to deal with as a race than to have to worry about 16th century diseases. We're still trying to overcome 1st century religions and 7th century thinking in regards to treatment of our fellow men.
As a race, we don't have time. Take the jab.
The person who doesn't get your disease may go on to invent the hyperdrive or cure death.
Think large, act local.
Let me play my playmo please.
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I'll have to look that up about live vs not live virus, by the way, from what was mentioned once or twice. When the Pediatrician gave my son the flu shot when he was 1 or 2 years old (I don't remember exact age), she stated that the version for toddlers or small children did not have the live virus, but the one for older folks did. That was definitely modern times, as he's only 10. Has that changed in 5-8 years?
"But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 Corinthians 15:57
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RE: they want me to get a flu shot
"But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 Corinthians 15:57
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Perhaps you want to rethink your assessment. While there may be no IT unions per se, there are plenty of IT positions within unions. Here's one now: www.unionjobs.com/listing.php?id=9938
Additionally, my daughter works with an entire IT department whose members are in a union. I'm pretty sure they would be able to consult with a union rep. So perhaps the advice is not as worthless as you think - just not applicable to you, apparently.
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The viruses in the flu shot are killed, so people cannot get the flu from a flu vaccine. However, because it takes about two weeks for people to build up immunity after they get the flu vaccine, some people may catch the flu shortly after their vaccinated, if they are exposed to the flu during this time period.
Trying is the first step towards failure. --Homer Simpson
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Somehow I doubt that the CDC would make silly grammatical errors such as using 'their' instead of "they're".
"their" is a possessive determiner, whereas "they're" is a contraction of "they are"
So the "quote" ought to be;
"... after they're vaccinated,... "
OR
"... after their vaccination,... "
Chris.
Indifference will be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?
Time flies like an arrow, however, fruit flies like a banana.
Never mind this jesus character, stars had to die for me to live.
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Although the same information is on the CDC site.
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"Somehow I doubt that the CDC would make silly grammatical errors such as using 'their' instead of "they're"
Don't doubt it. All their pencils have erasers on them.
I lived with the war stories of their little goofs for 20 years until my SO retired.
Ed Fair
Give the wrong symptoms, get the wrong solutions.
RE: they want me to get a flu shot
"Living tomorrow is everyone's sorrow.
Modern man's daydreams have turned into nightmares."
RE: they want me to get a flu shot
Egg-Based Flu Vaccines
The most common way that flu vaccines are made is using an egg-based manufacturing process that has been used for more than 70 years. Egg-based vaccine manufacturing is used to make both inactivated (killed) vaccine (usually called the “flu shot”) and live attenuated (weakened) vaccine (usually called the “nasal spray”).
The egg-based production process begins with CDC or another laboratory partner in the WHO Global Influenza Surveillance and Response System providing private sector manufacturers with candidate vaccine viruses (CVVs) grown in eggs per current FDA regulatory requirements. These CVVs are then injected into fertilized hen’s eggs and incubated for several days to allow the viruses to replicate. The virus-containing fluid is harvested from the eggs. For flu shots, the influenza viruses for the vaccine are then inactivated (killed), and virus antigen is purified. The manufacturing process continues with purification and testing. For the attenuated nasal spray vaccine, the starting CVVs are weakened viruses and go through a different production process. FDA tests and approves vaccines prior to release and shipment.
There are many different manufacturers that use this production technology to make flu vaccines for use in the United States. This production method requires large numbers of chicken eggs to produce vaccine and usually takes longer than other methods used to produce vaccine.
Trying is the first step towards failure. --Homer Simpson
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Has three glaring errors.
Check (it has a 'c')
grammatical has TWO 'm's
And the last word should be know.
The CDC text does have at least one minor error,
... grown in eggs per current FDA regulatory requirements. ...
should be;
"... grown in eggs as per current FDA regulatory requirements ..."
To be grammatically correct English, because "as per" is synonymous with "in accordance with", whereas the usage of 'per' on its own, is a replacement or synonym for "by means of"
Chris.
Indifference will be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?
Time flies like an arrow, however, fruit flies like a banana.
Never mind this jesus character, stars had to die for me to live.
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Take Care
Matt
I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone.
My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone.
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Trying is the first step towards failure. --Homer Simpson
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"Living tomorrow is everyone's sorrow.
Modern man's daydreams have turned into nightmares."
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Because I really do not care if something is posted as a childish "watch this" and ask for the grammar errors to be pointed out, ... ...
You WILL get exactly what you ask for, and I will not "feel" that I am been ridiculed. Plus from now on I will be completely justified in patronising you because that is the impression I have of you from now on.
Chris.
Indifference will be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?
Time flies like an arrow, however, fruit flies like a banana.
Never mind this jesus character, stars had to die for me to live.
RE: they want me to get a flu shot
Instead of "whereas the usage of 'per' on it's own", I believe you meant "whereas the usage of 'per' on its own".
"It's" is a contraction of "it is", whereas "its" is the possessive form showing that something belongs to "it".
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Absolutely correct. Thank you point pointing that ironic typographical error out.
Post now corrected.
Chris.
Indifference will be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?
Time flies like an arrow, however, fruit flies like a banana.
Never mind this jesus character, stars had to die for me to live.
RE: they want me to get a flu shot
Chris.
Indifference will be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?
Time flies like an arrow, however, fruit flies like a banana.
Never mind this jesus character, stars had to die for me to live.
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RE: they want me to get a flu shot
Chris.
Indifference will be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?
Time flies like an arrow, however, fruit flies like a banana.
Never mind this jesus character, stars had to die for me to live.
RE: they want me to get a flu shot
Chris.
Indifference will be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?
Time flies like an arrow, however, fruit flies like a banana.
Never mind this jesus character, stars had to die for me to live.
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Sorry Chris, I was a minor league pitcher at one time, and if I can put one down the middle in someone's wheel house, I will
Trying is the first step towards failure. --Homer Simpson
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I have no idea what that even means, :)
Chris.
Indifference will be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?
Time flies like an arrow, however, fruit flies like a banana.
Never mind this jesus character, stars had to die for me to live.
RE: they want me to get a flu shot
Trying is the first step towards failure. --Homer Simpson
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Corpulent before his time.
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Maybe he couldn't take the election results.
Skip,
Just traded in my OLD subtlety...
for a NUance!
RE: they want me to get a flu shot
Corpulent before his time.
RE: they want me to get a flu shot
"Living tomorrow is everyone's sorrow.
Modern man's daydreams have turned into nightmares."
RE: they want me to get a flu shot
Corpulent before his time.
RE: they want me to get a flu shot
"Living tomorrow is everyone's sorrow.
Modern man's daydreams have turned into nightmares."
RE: they want me to get a flu shot
Please no more.
"But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 Corinthians 15:57
RE: they want me to get a flu shot
Trying is the first step towards failure. --Homer Simpson
RE: they want me to get a flu shot
"Living tomorrow is everyone's sorrow.
Modern man's daydreams have turned into nightmares."