Sorry guys, I don't usually do the forum thing. I explain my premise a little further, although I probably have my answer. The client has international employees all over, currently using Cisco ASA and the corresponding VPN to gain access to the network. That of course, works perfectly. In one facility in particular, that they are borrowing/using space (because of the particular project that they are doing which incidentally has to be done from that space) , VPN use is strictly prohibited. So while it is an option for most, there are a few important users, that have to connect without the use of the VPN client.... We may just send out phones to them instead, but this was an option that had to be explored because of one blasted site they are using for access. Thanks folks...