mudflap, try it and if it doesn't work, let us know what it does do and what you are trying to do. If you are just trying to get rid of blank space created from blank records, then either of the 2 given methods should work. If this is not the case, can you let us know where in the report each line is comnig from? i.e. is Big John in the details section or the Group Header? If this is in the Details section, along with more data that isn't always there, you will need to split this into 2 details sections and suppress the second one.