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Some persoanl preference/theoretical discussions

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attrofy

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Jan 10, 2002
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In reading through some of the recent posts on the thread, it caused me to review my own preferences for designing a budget system. Aside from the "big" item discusions (i.e. motherboard, processor and hard drives) it got me thinking of what is "needed" verses what is "worth it" in a relatively budget conscious system.

So my questions is regarding Video Cards and Sound Cards. As these two items are arguably the most "noticeable" devices for the complete "multimedia" experience, let me pose two questions:

1) Are separate sound cards needed?
My personal feeling is no. Most of the AC97 Codec modules that are integrated in most quality boards now is sufficient for average game play, MP3 listening and recording, and most anything that a computer outputs. Even compared to the NForce 2 boards, I don't see much justification from the audio output alone. I have heard some state that some of the newer cards (i.e SB Audigy, Voyetra, etc) are a "must have". My personal experience (output options aside) is that they all produce about the same quality of sound. IF it came to my choices, I would invest the money in a decent pair of speakers, and save the money on the cards. If I had particular midi mixing needs, or special input/output requirements (multiple sources, or jack specifics) then I would without hesitation recommend a higher end card capable of handling these requirements (and would have to put more decision in going with a Surround Sound option), but otherwise, what benefits would the "average" home user gain from these cards? Any thoughts?

2) Which video card? Again, this is a subjective topic, and unlike sound cards, there is a difference in system reource allocation and apparent differences between on-board video, and decent video cards. Again, keeping the moderate budget requiremtns in mind, where one would not justify the expense of the latest $400 video card, what would be a "respectable" all around video card recomendation, and why? I have not researched gaming video cards in about a year, so I am out of the loop on recomendations, yet I hear many people are still getting good performance out of the GF4 4200's - even before overclocking, and getting exceptional performance once overclocked. However, for the moderate home user, in the $150 - $200 range, what are your recomendations and why? For those that feel the $300+ cards are a necessity, please explain why? My feeling is how much detail in the moss covered rocks of Quake, Doom or Halflife does on really need to see? In short, what is the upper limit of "decent performance" without breaking the bank, or where spending more on upgrading other system resources would yeild better performance gains for the money?
 
1. sound card. I agree, onboard sound is fully sufficient for all but maybe MP3 DJ's or what not. You can find onboard 5.1 surround sound on most newer motherboards, and hook up directly to a component stereo system for a far better listening experience than any high end sound card and pricey pc speakers.

2. video card. I havent really looked at nvidia lately.. but on the ati side, you can find a radeon 9700 pro for around 175$, or a 9800 pro for 220-240, if you shop around.
I don't think anything higher than that is needed if you aren't into hardcore gaming. Those cards are advanced enough that they should be good for average use for at least a couple years.
 
1. Sound cards - if you can't hear the difference a low-end card is all you need (and all I have). If you want 5.1 surround you'll need a better card.

2. Video - I play Battlefield 1942 with a Radeon7500 LE. You can't buy these anymore. I'm not sure of the specs but it plays fine with this game which is fairly graphically intense. Better cards allow you to boost up the game graphics quality. Keep in mind that a game vendor wants to sell as many games as they can. They NEED to be able to run their games on fairly low-end video cards to increase their sales. Normally a low end card will play most games but a high end card will give you richer and more detailed graphics and improved shadowing and lighting. Basically, the more video info that needs to be displayed the faster the card has to be. Probably the first consideration is whether your current card (or the card you are looking at) will play at 75Hz. Playing at a lower frequency can be annoying to look at and give you a headache.
 
I would be interested in opinions about the value of purchasing a separate sound card for the purposes of recording from cassette tapes to your computer. Currently I have on-board audio only.

What do you reckon?
 
1. Yup, use the onboard sound
2. If you're gaming, you'll need an good AGP video card; if only surfing and office work the onboard will usually be just fine.

I record from radio and cassette thru the line in port all the time with a patch cord.

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what cracks me up is when people get a high quality sound card, then use 2$ walmart audio cables :)

If you already have a mid-high end motherboard with onboard 5.1 or better, and a component system, a sound card is basically like throwing 100$+ out the window.

onboard sound with the correct software should be able to record dvd quality sound without a problem. recording from casette tapes you could record at mp3 quality and not significantly degrade the sound. Just use the line out on a casette player and line in on your sound card (or onboard sound) with a medium quality cable (low quality will cause static).
 
I tend to agree with most of the comments.
1: Sound cards. The build in AC97 sound systems seems to be able to handle everything you can possible do. This includes recording from the line in ports etc. I did some tests with spectrum analyzers and could see no visual difference between the AC97 and any of the higly prized cards.

2: Video cards, well here there can be a difference between high and low end adaptors. The build in video system are usually not in the same class as AGP cards. I use the 9800 pro, but in Thailand they sell for baht 3200 or about US$ 80. So for me that was no problem and I could justify it to myself. But especially the video systems depend to a large degree on the rest of the computer resources. I have seen systems with a top of the range video card and a memory of 128 Mbytes with a 3 Ghz processor. Needles to say the overall performance was less as that of a system using 1 Gbyte of memory and a build in video adaptor. Well thats enough from me. Greetings

Jurgen
 
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