SATA drive and IDE drive

[cappmgr]

If I have a SATA drive and a old IDE HD how do I want to set them up. I have an IDE to SATA converter that came with the mobo. Which drive do I want my OS on. I have been googleing and there seems to be no clear answer. When I read PATA is that refering to an IDE HD?
Thank you,
Marty




MB nForce2|5P1A4D NF7-S V2 ABIT ATX
CPU AMD|2800/333 ATHLON XP BARTON R
SATA HD 36GB|WD 10K RPM WD360GD 8MB OEM could never get it to boot
IDE HD 20GB|MAXTOR RPM 5200 currently using this as boot drive
VGA ROSEWILL|RADEON9200SE 128MB DDR
POWERSUPPLY|MGE 400W PSVG-400 RTL

 

[ski]

PATA is Parallel ATA, and it's your IDE HD.
SATA is Serial ATA.

Suggest that you install the O/S on the SATA HD as its performance is much faster than the IDE HD -> 10,000K vs. 5200K rpm.

If you've had trouble booting from the SATA HD:
-Is the SATA HD recognized in BIOS?
-If both HD's have O/S's installed, then are you using a boot manager?

Does your SATA-to-IDE converter look like this:

http://store1.yimg.com/I/coolingfan_1848_10723144

 

[cappmgr]

I could never load the OS on the SATA that is why it is on the PATA.
Did all the correct steps had it down to bare bones on the table not in the case and I could not get past Verifying DMI Pool when windows reboots during the install. I did hit F6 and S and put in the 3112 drivers that came with the mobo during the install and still no luck. So I put the OS on the PATA and the SATA as a second drive. The SATA is a second drive with no OS. This is what has brung me here. In frustation I flashed with the wrong BIN thread602-1055943 trying to get the SATA as the boot drive. I am going to take garebo's advice and try it again from step one. Funny thing is when looking at the SATA from device manager it does not have the SIC drivers it has MS drivers.
The converter looks to be the same.
Thank you,
Marty

 

[TomCologne]

Ski is right, except for "IDE HD -> 10,000K vs. 5200K rpm".

That would be SCSI <> IDE HD.

Serial vs Parallel is about the data transfer rate

133 <> 150 Mbytes/sec.


Serial ATA needs to be enabled in BIOS.


TomCologne

 

[cappmgr]

I did enable Serial ATA in the BIOS, could never get past Verifying DMI Pool. Will try it again. If all goes well and I get the SATA as the boot drive should I insatll the old IDE as an IDE or install it as a SATA using the IDE to SATA convertor.
Thank you all again,
Marty

 

[TomCologne]

Have you read this?


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3-3. Advanced BIOS Features

Hard Disk Boot Priority: (NF7-S2/NF7-S2G)

Bootable Add-in Device:

This item allows you to select the add-in device priority between [PCI Slot Device] and [Onchip SATA].
---

ftp://ftp-usa.abit.com.tw/pub/download/manual/english/nf7_series.pdf



Did you see both drives in Windows setup?

The assigned drive letters may have been a little confusing, see "XP Installation, hard drive issue." thread779-1043530

The suggestions there will probably work for you, too.



This article might be useful for you as a short introduction:


Parallel vs. Serial ATA:

http://www.directron.com/patasata.html

It should also answer the question: "the old IDE as an IDE or install it as a SATA using the IDE to SATA convertor"


The IDE drive will be IDE, the convertor is just a simple power connector adaptor, PSU has only 4 pin (Molex) connectors, HDD
only the new 15-pin connector, and it will not turn the IDE drive into a SATA device.



I really recommend reading the article.




TomCologne

 

[ski]

cappmgr,
A shot in the dark.
See if you can install Windows on the SATA HD without the PATA HD being connected, and without enabling SATA(or SCSI) in BIOS. It would appear that this BIOS option does not have to be enabled since the SATA HD is connected to an IDE controller thru a simple converter, and not to an onboard SATA(or SCSI) controller.
If that works and you can boot to the SATA HD, then reconnect the PATA HD as Slave. If the same problems happen, then disconnect the SATA HD, jumper the PATA HD as Master, boot to it, save all critical files, reformat it, reconnect the SATA HD, and jumper the PATA HD as Slave.
If the problems resurface, then it's possible that you cannot connect another HD as Slave with the SATA HD configured as the boot drive, and the only configuration that may work with your current components is the original one, i.e., PATA HD as the boot drive, and SATA HD as Slave.
That is, unless you install an SATA PCI controller card, or buy a MB with an onboard SATA controller, either of which should allow you to follow thru with your intended plan. Just make sure to configure SCSI as the 1st boot device in BIOS.


Tom,
"Suggest that you install the O/S on the SATA HD as its performance is much faster than the IDE HD -> 10,000K vs. 5200K rpm."
This is somewhat confusing, and I apologize to anyone who may have misinterpreted what I was trying to say.
I intended the -> symbol to simply be a pointer, 10,000K should have been 10,000, 5200K should have been 5200, and that the SATA HD has faster performance than the PATA HD since the former runs at 10,000 rpm, and the latter at 5200 rpm.

 

[cappmgr]

Not sure where the stars go but I don't like hanging threads and wanted to say thank you very much to all.

This is what I did. As garebo siad the new BIOS Chip will have the latest version it did 27. The system was on the table and we started over. Turn system on hoping for no system boot error and did not get it. Again we got the Veryifying DMI Pool and it just hung there. Started again again and went into the BIOS. Went into On Board PCI Device and disabled the SATA Raid ROM. Booted again and yes! we got by the Verifying DMI Pool. Connected the SATA to SATA 1 controller. Installed windows with the F6 then S and put in the Sil 3112 drivers. Windows asked for a partition and we could not do it so we formatted the SATA and let windows install. Then it rebooted and went back into windows install because the CDROM was the first boot device. I thought this a mistake and eject the Windows disk. We rebooted and had two options that read the same Windows XP Professional. Hit enter and got "Windows could not start because of a computer disk hardware configuration problem." Rebooted and selected the second Windows XP Professional. Went into windows and it is all good. We then hooked up the old IDE HD and it see that too. Put it all in the case and all is fine. Running the SATA as a boot drive.

I googled the error message and found that the boot.ini is bad and needs editing. Did a search for boot.ini could not find one. So did some more reading and found the bootcfg. Could not tell if it was 0 or 1 based but it seemed to be 1 based so I entered at the c prompt bootcfg /delete/id 1.
Rebooted and it now has two option Windows XP Professional and default. If I choose Windows XP Professional it boots fine If I choose default which is highlighted it gives the error again. So I'm wondering if the Windows XP Professional is now 1 or 2 can't tell because I have no boot.ini. If I knew I would use bootcfg /default /id 2 so it would make the Windows XP Professional the default.
Thanks again,
Marty

 

[ceh4702]

I recommend either using IDE or SATA. Mixing them may confuse things.

If you do not like my post feel free to point out your opinion or my errors.

 

[TomCologne]

To edit boot.ini in XP:

Start>Control Panel>System>Advanced>Startup & Recovery>Edit Boot.ini

, if I remember correctly.

In Win2k the file looks something like this:

[boot loader]
timeout=4
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect


You should have the last line twice, one of them is set as default (compare the "multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\" part).

Change the default line to the other option and restart.

If it works you can delete the invalid line.


TomCologne