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IMacQuarker
Technical User
Hi chazmania
What do you mean by correct order?
Do you mean like if you want an 8 page booklet with page 1 and 8 printing side by side? If so you can open the page layout window and drag the pages you want side by side.
IMacQuarker
What do you mean by correct order?
Do you mean like if you want an 8 page booklet with page 1 and 8 printing side by side? If so you can open the page layout window and drag the pages you want side by side.
IMacQuarker
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MarcusStringer
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Don't try to impose it youself....
That's the job of the Print Shop, because know what the specs of their printing press are, how much creep etc to use.
Marcus
That's the job of the Print Shop, because know what the specs of their printing press are, how much creep etc to use.
Marcus
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jimoblak, IMacQuark.
I mean that the page order become mixed.
I have an A4 booklet (printing on both sides - like a magazine)
The pages seem so come out of sink.
Page 3 is where page 6 should be.
Page 1 is where page 4 should be.
That made me think that you may have to finalise the page or publish in some way - as you tell im not at all sure.
Thanks for all of your interest/help so far.
I mean that the page order become mixed.
I have an A4 booklet (printing on both sides - like a magazine)
The pages seem so come out of sink.
Page 3 is where page 6 should be.
Page 1 is where page 4 should be.
That made me think that you may have to finalise the page or publish in some way - as you tell im not at all sure.
Thanks for all of your interest/help so far.
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You need impositioning software.
Look for the directory of XTs available at Quark.com or find an app to impose at alap.com
You should only use this for internal proofing as you clearly are not familiar with the technique employed by your print service provider.
IMacQuarker
Technical User
Hi chazmania
How many pages are there in this book?
What is the page size?, do you want to print front and back and then fold in half to have 4 pages on an A4 letter size sheet?
Here is how you lay out an 8 page booklet.
You start with page size 5.846" wide by 8.268" tall. Do not use facing pages.
When you finish the 8 page booklet. You save it as is.
Then you make a duplicate copy to work with and if you mess up delete and make another copy, do not do this without keeping the original intact.
First you open the document layout window and you will see the 8 pages strung out in order.
Double click on page 1 and choose Page then Section and make page 1 a section start as Section 1, then repeat this with page 2 making it section start 2 etc to the last page.
After you've done this you can then drag page 8 up alongside page 1, you might have to drag it to the right of page 1 and then drag page 1 to the right.
Then drag page 7 to the right of page 2, then drag page 3 to the right of page 6, then drag page 5 to the right of 4.
When you've done that choose print sreads and you can print all 8 pages and you can turn them over and rearrange the order to print page 2-7 first then 8-1, then 4-5, and 6-6, then fold and insert and you've got an 8 page booklet. See pictures below
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Hope this helps
IMacQuarker
How many pages are there in this book?
What is the page size?, do you want to print front and back and then fold in half to have 4 pages on an A4 letter size sheet?
Here is how you lay out an 8 page booklet.
You start with page size 5.846" wide by 8.268" tall. Do not use facing pages.
When you finish the 8 page booklet. You save it as is.
Then you make a duplicate copy to work with and if you mess up delete and make another copy, do not do this without keeping the original intact.
First you open the document layout window and you will see the 8 pages strung out in order.
Double click on page 1 and choose Page then Section and make page 1 a section start as Section 1, then repeat this with page 2 making it section start 2 etc to the last page.
After you've done this you can then drag page 8 up alongside page 1, you might have to drag it to the right of page 1 and then drag page 1 to the right.
Then drag page 7 to the right of page 2, then drag page 3 to the right of page 6, then drag page 5 to the right of 4.
When you've done that choose print sreads and you can print all 8 pages and you can turn them over and rearrange the order to print page 2-7 first then 8-1, then 4-5, and 6-6, then fold and insert and you've got an 8 page booklet. See pictures below
Picture 1
Picture 2
Hope this helps
IMacQuarker
MarcusStringer
IS-IT--Management
Having everyone say all this.
Don't send it to be proffessionaly printed like this as they will hate you.
It's their job to impose your work and print it, don't make it harder for them as it will cost you more money if they are forced to rearange your pages back to be 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8.
Marcus
Don't send it to be proffessionaly printed like this as they will hate you.
It's their job to impose your work and print it, don't make it harder for them as it will cost you more money if they are forced to rearange your pages back to be 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8.
Marcus
IMacQuarker
Technical User
I don't know how anyone knows what chazmania is going to do with that book, he might even be the professional printer rather than sending it out to be printed. He might just want to print a finished copy to show a customer.
Notice I told him to save the original file without any impositioning and work with a duplicate. Then he can send out the original to the printer if that is the goal.
I just tried to inform him how to rearrange pages using the page layout. I have printed several booklets for my own personal use and have done some layouts to be printed professionally.
IMacQuarker
Notice I told him to save the original file without any impositioning and work with a duplicate. Then he can send out the original to the printer if that is the goal.
I just tried to inform him how to rearrange pages using the page layout. I have printed several booklets for my own personal use and have done some layouts to be printed professionally.
IMacQuarker
MarcusStringer
IS-IT--Management
Hang on there, I'm not having a go at you. There have been some people on these forums in the past who have wanted to impose their work themselves to send off to the printers, thinking it will save time, help the printers out, etc etc, Whatever the reason.
I'm simply reinforcing my original statement, to inform people who ask this question, that if that's what they are doing then it's not the correct procedure.
Marcus
I'm simply reinforcing my original statement, to inform people who ask this question, that if that's what they are doing then it's not the correct procedure.
Really???
Marcus
There is no need to defend posts IMacQuarker. Your information is not bad - it just seems like overkill for a common task.
Since you have time to write such a lengthy description of manual imposition, I can see how this sluggish method might appeal to you. Most designers will want a faster automated option, offered either by an imposition XT or their service provider.
Since you have time to write such a lengthy description of manual imposition, I can see how this sluggish method might appeal to you. Most designers will want a faster automated option, offered either by an imposition XT or their service provider.
Also bear in mind that in Quark, unless you make up a large pasteboard/document and impose your pages manually you are stuck to producing printers pairs.
depending on the number of pages in the book the repro house/printer will probably still need to impose these into full sheets anyway. For example, they aren't going to run A4 pages set in printers pairs (A3) to an A1 printing press, it's wasteful.
My 2 cents? Let the repro house/printer do the imposition.
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depending on the number of pages in the book the repro house/printer will probably still need to impose these into full sheets anyway. For example, they aren't going to run A4 pages set in printers pairs (A3) to an A1 printing press, it's wasteful.
My 2 cents? Let the repro house/printer do the imposition.
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Hi everyone.
Well, didn't think my question would start off such a debate! - sorry about that! thought it would be pretty straight forward (but this what happens when I think that!)
Anyway, Finally after repositioning the pages over and over again. I found that I had a successful print when I arranged the booklet in a one page document.
For example pages 1 equalled to 2 pages because it was front to back printing. I then had to place them all together after printing them all out separatly.
As this was a major rush job I didnt have the time to exlore different and maybe more complex solutions. This is the first and the last time (I'm hoping) that this will happen!
But I would just like to thank all of you for all of you help and advice - really appreciate it.
Chazmania.
Well, didn't think my question would start off such a debate! - sorry about that! thought it would be pretty straight forward (but this what happens when I think that!)
Anyway, Finally after repositioning the pages over and over again. I found that I had a successful print when I arranged the booklet in a one page document.
For example pages 1 equalled to 2 pages because it was front to back printing. I then had to place them all together after printing them all out separatly.
As this was a major rush job I didnt have the time to exlore different and maybe more complex solutions. This is the first and the last time (I'm hoping) that this will happen!
But I would just like to thank all of you for all of you help and advice - really appreciate it.
Chazmania.
IMacQuarker
Technical User
Hi chazmania, I still wonder how many pages in the book, and did you arrange them like i suggested?
IMacQuarker
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