PDF or EPS or ?

[pobajo]

Working on a Mac—currently OS9.1, but eventually 10X—we are creating a teaching guide document that contains 50 lessons, each about 7 pages long. Three of those pages are 4-color and are student lessons with the answers in a 5th color. After this document is complete, we will need to create a student lesson book with those three 4-color pages, changing the 5th color to white so the answers don't show.

In the past, we did this with a thumbnail drag, which is tedious and time-consuming.

The 3 pages are linked; but the additional pages in the original are not. Not very experienced with pdf, is it possible to save each 4-color page as a pdf and place it in a Quark document? Will the printer have problems with this? Would it work to make eps' of each 4-color page in Quark and place those in a new Quark document?

Your guidance is much appreciated.

 

[Foamcow]

Why can't you just use the same document that you use for the teaching guide?

Create the document in 4 colour with the answers in the 5th colour. Then when printing the student book either omit to print the 5th colour or change it globally in the colours pallete to be white.

I don't think this is the question you are asking, but I can't quite work out what it is you are having a problem with.

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[MarcusStringer]

or you could put the answers on a seperate layer (depends which version of Quark you have)

Marcus

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[pobajo]

Thanks for your replies. Yes, we can use the same document for the Student lessons, but have to take out all the other pages in the file, and usually when doing that in Quark, master items get put on pages again when removing pages, which need deleting. So, it is a bit messy. But that is probably the course we will take if no eps/pdf solution is found.

 

[denice]

I would create a paragraph style sheet specific for the answers, you may have several sheets. But having the style sheets, you can simply change the color within the pallet to white. Then just as simply change it back.

not sure how much help that is...

Denice
Mac OSX, Running Classic for Quark 4.1. System G4.

 

[pobajo]

Yes, we use style sheets and already have a plan to change to white. It is more complicated than that. It is the extra pages we need to remove that cause problems. But, we think we will work with a solution.

 

[Foamcow]

I am still having trouble understanding this even though I have read through it numerous times.

Is the problem that when you remove the pages you don't want in the second document (the answer pages), that your text reflows and other items shift pages?

The way I interpret your initial question:
[ul]
[li]You have a (approx.) 350 page document. Split into (approx.) 7 page sections.[/li]
[li]Each section contains 3 pages are lesson "plans" that contain questions and answers.[/li]
[li]You want to make a NEW document that contains these 3 page lesson "plans" but you don't want the answers to show.[/li]
[li]You normally do this by thumbnail dragging the relevant pages into your new document, but you find this takes too long.[/li]
[li]You are asking if hiding the answers in some way, then making PDFs of the pages and placing those PDFs into your new document will work?[/li]
[/ul]

Yes it will... depending on the output device (as some systems have problems outputting placed PDFs).

But why not copy/paste the relevant text into the new document? This is especially easy since you are using Style sheets and have linked the text boxes for these pages.

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[blueark]

I don't know if this is relevant, but are you aware that you can thumbnail drag multiple pages at once? I know I used to find it very time consuming until I found out about this. Just click on the first page, shift-click on the last page, then drag. Command-click lets you select/deselect non-continuous pages. Apologies if you knew this already!

 

[pobajo]

Thanks for all of your input. I am aware of multiple page thumbnail drag. It is just so hard to see what pages you are dragging. since this will be a 350 page book, yes, that is time consuming, as it would be dragging 3 out of each 7. Pl

Foamcow--you seem to understand it right. What happens is when eliminating pages (in this case the single nonlinked pages), Quark has a habit of dropping master items on the pages from thinking they moved and so need them reapplied. These items go to the back, so they are really not visable, but we end up with extra text boxes, picture boxes in the document. Only for items that have been changed though. We have all the text in one text box, but there is one element that is loose and it's placement will vary. I have the pictures imbedded, so they should flow with the text. Also, we just got Quark 6.5 and are trying it out, so I will see if anything has changed from our previous version 4.1

So, yes, creating a new document and copying and pasting the text would be ok except for that one element. Another problem is a new document of either kind (thumbnail drag or new document with copy/paste would mean more proofing/expense by the copy editors, in case something got lost, misplaced, etc. We thought having pdf or eps would be something that was an exact replica of the original page, and so wouldn't have to be proofed again.

Thank you for your input. The pdf or eps idea was something we hoped to know for the expense involved from creating a new document.

I'm thinking the method least likely to get messed up would be as previously suggested, to use the same document, delete all the pages that are not linked, and go from there. Even if Quark drops master items on the page, they can be easily deleted. That way, all the copy should stay in place, including the loose element. Let's hope so.

 

[Lessa]

You could use the above suggestions about putting answers on a layer or changing them to white. Then figure out which pages you need and make a pdf of only thoses pages. Is that what you're asking?