new mobos & win98 compatibility =(

[dakota81]

Alright, there's gotta be someone else out somewhere who is finding it difficult to install Win98SE on new mobos too... I posted a thread earlier about an intel D865GBF not installing Windows & the response was probably APIC settings & to disable them... well I checked and that intel board does not have any mention of APIC anywhere in the BIOS. And Win98SE was the buggiest install I've ever seen.

Now I'm trying to put Win98SE on an ECS K7S5A board, and Windows just craps out with a Protection Error and fails to load even attempting a new install.

We're stuck using Win98SE here due to a DOS accounting software we still use & reference; and porting out the data would cost us quite a lot of money from the software company...

Is there any hope for Win98SE? I do want to purchase a new KT600 board to put Win98SE on, does anyone here know for a fact that Win98SE can be put onto these boards? I'm probably picking up the MSI board.

Any suggestions at all? None of the motherboards have APIC settings anywhere in the bios.

 

[edfair]

I've had mixed results. Some very,very good with the board approach, and some very,very bad with packaged systems.

I've come to distrust memory when SE doesn't install to the basic minimum system. Every head-beating install I've done (except one) ended up with one or another memory problem.

Beyond the basic install you are at the mercy of the drivers.


Ed Fair
Give the wrong symptoms, get the wrong solutions.

 

[SkipCox]

Isn't APIC used to handle interrupts for multiple cpu's? Seems like you would not need to disable what you don't have.

As to your question, I don't know. I loaded 98se on a quite modern system I built for a friend last week. I'll look around for some ideas.

Skip

http://home.comcast.net/~scox9/index.html

 

[Freestone]

Don't want to stray to far from dakota81's question, but this link explains APIC pretty well:

http://www.adriansrojakpot.com/Speed_Demonz/New_BIOS_Guide/APIC_Function.htm

In my experience with Windows Protection errors, it always had something to do with the NIC and/or networking. Perhaps you can try disabling the NIC just to see if you can get 98 to install.

And for what it's worth, I installed Windows 98SE on an ASUS A7N8X Deluxe without problem awhile back.

 

[SkipCox]

These pages should help:

http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/ig/os_setup_98.htm

http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/ig/os_setup_98.htm

Skip

http://home.comcast.net/~scox9/index.html

 

[dakota81]

Thanks for the help; swapping out the memory got the machine to run great! It's just very weird, because this EXACT same setup, nothing changed, has been running WinXP for over a year without a single problem... In the far back of my mind I too was thinking "memory", but didn't swap it out because the sticks worked fine less than a week ago.

I still don't know what the deal with the intel 865 motherboard (ran Win2000 & WinXP perfectly), that'll still be a mystery, the problems were far more perplexing. I'll just be sticking to AMD boards for these Win98SE machines here.

 

[SYAR2003]

It's simple really .

APIC is the type of virtual irq steering/mecanism
that ACPI 2.0 is using and is a bonus from the ACPI 2.0.

Disabling ACPI(2.0) disables APIC & MPS.

Releases of ACPI:
ACPI 1.0 released December 1996
ACPI 1.0a released July 1998
ACPI 1.0b released February 1999
ACPI 2.0 released July 2000
So it should be easy to guess what version the OS
support since they all is named by the year
Windows 95 APM
Windows 98 APM/ACPI 1.0
Windows 98SE APM/ACPI 1.0
Windows NT APM/ACPI 1.0
Windows ME APM/ACPI 1.0
Windows 2000 ACPI 2.0
Windows XP ACPI 2.0



There is also another os dependent BIOS setting.
MPS version 1.1 , 1.4 in bioses
as mothern mb support "Multi Processor Specification"
It's a specification of architecture with two or more processors.Version 1.4 added extended configuration tables
for improved support for multiple PCI bus configs and
improve future expandability.

XP support MPS ver. 1.4 / 1.1
NT/2000 MPS ver 1.1


Example asus p4p800 for windows 98SE
( new P4 board used with 98SE )
BIOS Power menu

ACPI 2.0 support = Disabled (reverts to APM ,or ACPI 1.0?)
ACPI APIC Support =Disabled
AML ACPI Table =Disabled
(of course hyperthreading must be disabled on a p4)
MPS n/a




Other:
Install Windows 98SE with /p j switch.
It add the ACPI Option string value with a value data of 1
to registry.

Install 98 with this:
setup /p j

And always use Windows 98 SE ,it includes updates for Advanced Configuration and Power Interface(ACPI),
OnNow,and Advanced Power Management(APM).


So Dakota , are you gonna give it another go ..

SYAR

 

[dakota81]

So when you stated I should disable APIC, I really needed to know it was ACPI that needed to be disabled.

Anyways, the intel board has already been installed in another computer with WinXP and is in use. Seems like unneeded complexity that I should just try and avoid forever. Good to know, but I'm not going to spend any more time on it unless I absolutely have to.