IPO paging/nite bell with Bogan Amp 2

[ATI2ner]

We have a Bogan TPU250 Telephone Paging Amplifier and a IP406 V2. No UPAM, as we page phones and overhead together. To get paging to work, we need to have the contact closure closed. To get the night bell to work, we need to open the contact closure. Is there any way to open and close the contact based on which function is needed?

Orange and green (pin 2,6) from analogue port provides constant closure, not just when paging.

Second option- is there a way to page overhead and phones while using a UPAM?

Thanks for any help you can give.

 

[dphoneguy24]

Is your Bogen 250 watt amp a HTA250A amplifier? or is it a regular "Telephone Paging Amplifier" such as a TPU100B?

If it is an HTA power amplifier, it will not have the night ringer input. With the Telephone Paging Amplifiers, the older ones are a "A" model which require a contact closure for night ringer. I believe on the new ones the TPU15A still does, but the TPU35B, TPU60B, TPU100B do not. I have connected a IPO analog port directly to the night ringer on these amps. I haven't tried the Bogen NR-100 night ringer unit but I have used a Viking Electronics K-600D Night Bell over Existing Paging System for amplifiers that required a contact closure to activate a night ringer. In all the solutions that I have installed with IPO and a Bogen amp, I have never had to us a UPAM when connecting from an analog station port setup as a paging port. So far as long as an amp had a 600 ohm input we haven't needed the UPAM.

Dphoneguy24

 

[ronromano]

Can't page over head and phones at the same time with upam. What I did do is take a used 4406, opened it up and spliced the wires from the speakerphone to the input on paging. Then added the phone to the group and it works great. Don't remember if the customer ring to the page that way but I think it will work.

 

[ATI2ner]

ronromano;

This was the exact installation the customer had with the old system, and he wanted us to get rid of it. Looks real tacky with a state of the art system.

 

[ATI2ner]

dphoneguy24;

Are you serious? The questions you ask are answered in the first post. It is a Bogan TPU250 Telephone Paging Amplifier. It has paging and nightbell all in the same unit. Paging needs the contacts closed, and there seems to be no way to make that happen with the AVAYA IP406V2, unless you put in a jumper to close them all the time, which shuts you out of using the night bell.

Kind of a chicken and egg thing....

 

[mforrence]

You could easily put an intermediary paging interface that provides the contact closure on audio.
Mike

 

[ATI2ner]

Mike-

But you can't use an intermediary paging interface (UPAM) if you want to do overhead and phone paging at the same time. To do overhead and phones at the same time, the AVAYA IPO406V2 would have to provide temporary contact closure, and it does not.

We seem to be faced with either paging through the phones or using night bell, but we want it ALL!!!

 

[mforrence]

Sure you can. I'm not suggesting that you specifically use the UPAM. Leave it hooked just as it is (using an analog station port) - but with Vox operated interface between IPO and amp. Look at Bogen VAR1 (

http://www.bogen.com/products/specialelectronics/)

or look to Valcom.
Mike

 

[ronromano]

Yeah, but it worked right?

 

[ronromano]

mforrence, I looked at the bogen site. I have a question though, how do you shut off the night bell? I think you are talking about the VAR1. It looks like it detects audio and the flips an external relay. i'm just wondering how you only make it ring at night.

As I'm typing this, I think it could be done with a second analog port set to ring at night to trip the relay.

Or I'm totally lost.

I'm going to look into it. Thanks for the ideaa.

 

[mforrence]

I guess to start from the beginning - if paging works exactly as you need it and only need to add night ring - use a second analog station port and assign it to ring in night mode. If amp has a connection for this type of device, hook it up and you're done. If amp doesn't have night ring from 90v ring, use the Bogen night ring adapter to close contacts on ring.
Cheers
Mike

 

[aarenot]

I have set this up and it seems to satify my customers in some situations.


if you are using VMPRO, set up a post dial action. Steal a ringing WAV from phone manager. Post the WAv file to the paging system(paging short code), then use the next action to ring it where you want it to ring on the phones.



In reality it does not ring over paging, but it does give a notification of the call over paging, then transfers the call to a destination at which the call can be answered.

Here is a link to the previous post. You would not need any new equipment, just the time to set it up in vmpro, and ipo ICR possibly.

http://www.tek-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=1274163&page=2

let me know if you have any questions on setting it up.

 

[ATI2ner]

mforrence

We do use a second analog port for night bell. Unit does have connection for night bell. But to get the paging to work on phones and overhead, we have to lock the paging closed, which keeps the nightbell function of the paging unit from functioning.

We lock it closed because we include the paging port in the phone page group, and the activation signal for the phone page is not "strong" enough to close the contacts on the amp, which is also why it will not work with a UPAM.

Bogan tech says what we are doing will not work, but yet we use it all the time. This is the first time we have run into a phone amp that also does night bell.

aarenot- I will give this iddea to our programer. I will have him post if he has questions. THANKS!!!

 

[ronromano]

Here is a star that is very creative aarenot.

 

[aarenot]

Thanks Ron for comment. It was more than I got from the two salesmen who sold this functionality more than once with no analog port available, bells, bell wiring, etc.

Also, can someone tell me what a UPAM is for in the station port for paging application? I have never needed one. WMT1A is all I have ever needed between the IPO and the amp. If it has a MIC, or HI-Z input, which I have always found is the case.

 

[ATI2ner]

UPAM- Universal Paging Access Module

It provides contact closure for those paging systems that require it.

We have never used a WMT1A, but looking at it, it might provide the signal boost that we need. How do you hook it up? How does it work?

 

[dphoneguy24]

ATI2ner

I was just verifying that the amp was a TPU250. I have older docs on Bogen and wasn't aware that they made a TPU250. It used to be a TPU100 was the largest in the TPU series. For clarification, we have always used 2 different extensions - 1 page, 1 - ringer and have been able to place the paging extension in a hunt group with digital phones and do an "all call" page.

Dphoneguy24

 

[aarenot]

http://www.tek-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=1311744&page=2

here are some posts on paging. The wmt1a comes inside the box with the upam, it is a matching transformer.

 

[aarenot]

I guess, I have not hit an amp that requires contact closure yet, or at least for the input I used.