How to "bulid in" different styles within the same paragraph?

[didacticus]

Compared to InDesign I dont't know how to incorporate different styles in the same paragraph in QXP 5 for Mac OS 9. I use Minion pro (Open Type), a complete set of styles for different purposes, or Minion MM and Minion MM Exp. I don't know how to include both Minon regular for the ordinary body text in a paragraph with the lower case style for all the figures in the same text. In InDesign it's easy but in QXP 5 I really don't know how to solve the problem. Do I have to install an extension?

Anders v B (Sweden)

 

[steven290]

you can't use multiple paragraph styles within a paragraph, what you can do is create a general paragraph style then create character styles to be used with the paragraph

 

[didacticus]

Yes, I've recognized that too. So you mean it's impossible to make Quark function as InDesign does?!! I often work with documents of 400 pp and the only way, you mean, is to mark every word or figure, which I want to be styled in another style than regular. And do so in every paragraph?! It must be a Quark Extension available for this dont't you think?

Thank's for answering anyway! I would be happy if you have a positive answer for this seccessive question though!

Anders

 

[didacticus]

What I mean is (it's hard to explain the problem in a proper way) how different character styles may be used with a particular paragraph style in a automatic way. When I mark a paragraph style in the dialogue box I want the ordinary text to be styled in regular and all the figures in the same paragraph in lower case style. When you associate a charcter style with a paragraph style it's a matter of either the regular style (for instance)or the lower case style. I want different styles within a pragraph. That's my problem with Quark for the moment. Plaese help me prevent moving to havey InDesign-thing!

regards
Anders

 

[MarcusStringer]

No, you cannot have nested styles in Quark.


Marcus

http://www.midlandtypesetters.com.au

 

[didacticus]

It seems to be a tuff job working with all paragraphs individually and specially all specific words I want styled in another style than regular! Gosh! I'd better go back to InDesign in that respect!

Thanks anyway for answering!
Anders

 

[MarcusStringer]

Yeah, but InDesign only brought this feature out in it's CS version.
Hopefully Quark does the same in V 7

Marcus

http://www.midlandtypesetters.com.au

 

[didacticus]

That's not quite true! I can handle this feature with the open type Minion pro for InDesign 2.02 for Mac classic as well as in the CS version for Windows! (I haven't yet for the moment access to any Mac OS X computer)

We have to hope for an uppgrade to version 7 then! How would you prefer to solve my problem if you have to work with over 400 pp of pure text? Of course there is the search and replacement engine within Quark where you can solve the problem. Is that how you would prefer to do it?

Thanks again for your intrest in answering. You are very kind!
Anders

 

[MarcusStringer]

You could set up Xtags in word, and tag everything,

I don't do that, however, because I think it would take just as long to tag everything as it would to go through and change everything in Quark

From memory the find/replace only really works for Para style. As the whole word has to be selected in order for the chara style to work. Because chara styles only work when there is something selected.

Set up a shortcut key for the chara style, that will make it alot easier

Marcus

http://www.midlandtypesetters.com.au

 

[didacticus]

Thanks, Marcus! I know the shortcut key function. That helps a lot really! The major problem maybe, is still how to change figures to another font style than regular and in that case the "find/replace-machine" will be sufficient.

The more I work in Quark (and InDesign) I realize how exact and relativly safe, fast and stable it is compared to InDesign. In Quark, as I understand it, you have to make upp a whole lot of tools on your own in order to make you totaly (?) aware of the lay out work. A bit more complicated but more proffessional than InDesign perhaps.

Anders

 

[pobajo]

You can use search/replace to apply a character style.

For instance, if absolutely ALL of your figures (numbers I presume) are to be a different font, just find a "0" and replace with the character style you set up. You can find and replace all of them at once. Then continue with "1", "2", etc. This will catch and apply the new character style in seconds.

If you have some figures however, in the text that you don't want changed, then you may have to do one at a time.

 

[didacticus]

Thanks pobajo!
I've practiced that method you proposed. It's just that I'm not that used to any of the layout programmes (InDesign and QXP)so therefore I'm a bit wondering about what qualities and abilities in respect to fast and accurate work which could be performed with these applications. I really like Quark's simplicity and accuracy and how it show up on the screen. InDesign is huge and equiped with lots of tools (for instance the multilingual glyph possibilities within the same paragraph style). What reflections do you make in respect to a comparison between the two apps?

Nice of you to answer!
Anders (of Sweden)

 

[pobajo]

Greetings to you in Sweden!

I have not used InDesign so cannot compare the two. I have been with Quark since version 3, so have grown with it as it has grown. We all know the software, and there would be a learning curve to switch to InDesign, not to mention a great amount of time, which we don't have. I do know of people who have made the switch and having worked in it awhile now, prefer InDesign. All of us who use Quark however, are perfectly content with it.

Our printers are happy with Quark, and being a publisher, we would have tons of books/materials to update. It just wouldn't be practical for us to consider a change at this time. Not that we want to.

Good luck in your layout projects!

Another thing I didn't previously mention, when you make a document from scratch, bringing in copy from a Word program, select all the text and apply NO STYLE. This will "detach" any "normal" styles you may have set up in the document. otherwise the styles may not apply as you try to assign them. Also, when bringing in text from the word processing program, deselect "include styles"

Another thing, if you have certain fonts you want to be default, start up the application but do not open a document. Now change those items you wish to default. This can be done for colors, hyphenation, etc. Anything that is not grayed out you can make a default . Then when you start a new document, you will have all of those items as default.

Existing documents will not take these defaults; you would have to change them in the document when opened.

Hope some of this helps further.

 

[didacticus]

Hi!

Thanks for taking your time and answering so in great detail! I have been a little uncertain about what to do when opening and starting Quark. Thanks a lot!

Working as a publisher for so long with Quark, do you think the Quark corp. will make it more InDesign alike in the future? Probably they must do something in able to compete with Adobe preventing people to choose InDesign when the market comes in the position to make the choice. As long as your publisher firm is going well there isn't any choice. When a new newspaper started here i Sweden they went for the Adobe product, mainly because of lack of resources. Otherwise the most common apps for newspaper here in Sweden is the Quark.

Greetings to you as well! ASre from the U.S.?

Anders

 

[pobajo]

Yes, I'm in Wisconsin, USA. Again, I cannot comment on Quark keeping up with InDesign, as I don't know the features it has that Quark does not. Whatever program you use, if you learn to use it properly, it will be fun. If you aren't having fun, there is a better way to do it!

Keep asking away if any other problems.

 

[didacticus]

I admire your proffessionality! That's the way it is, of course. What's the meaning of life it you haven't fun despite what ever you do. To do things properly and seriously you have to have fun as well.

My proffession is to teach and do some research in the field of pedagogy at the University of Gothenburg (on the Swdeish west coast). And for fun and as a result of an ambition to make the doctorate theses at the University looking nice to read (after so many years of hard theoretical and empirical work)I have taken a job as a "lay out designer" before they send the draft to the publisher for printing.

I have always liked technology whih is not that automatic. I will feel the control and be aware of how the tools are working. As a hobby photographer I still prefer the Nikon F5/F6 camera body for making the prints that I prepare in the darkroom. And I do some painting as well when there is the time for it.

Consequently maybe, I will still prefer Quark...

No it's late in Sweden (30 min past midnight actually!)

Thanks again for your encouraging answers. I'll be in touch as soon there are further handling problems with Quark.

Good Night!
Anders