computer freezes on startup with 2nd hard drive installed 1

[drtom]

I have an IBM tower with 2 HD's.
This morning I reformatted it re-installing XPP. Before using fdsik and reformatting the HD I disconected the 2nd HD to prevent accidental loss. Once I finished the install I reconnected the 2nd HD but when it is connected the computer hangs on startup before getting to the Windows logo. The BIOS is set to start from HDD 0 which is where XPP is. The 2nd HDD is set as a slave and used for storage only and contains no OS. If I disconnect the 2nd HD the computer starts normally.
Any thoughts?
Thanks

 

[zobbo]

make sure your jumper settings are correct. So disconnnect both hdd's and check jumper settings. The hdd you boot off is called the "master" the second hdd will be called "slave".

 

[drtom]

Thanks for hte reply
Jumpers are correct. The 2nd HD was working just fine before the reformat.

 

[vacunita]

Does your bios pickup both drives When they are connected together?

It might be a faulty cable? Have you checked that it is plugged in correctly, red stripe towards the power connector?

You might want to try another cable, or try pluggin the slave drive on the secondary ide cable. just to rule out possible culprits.

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Unknown has caused an Unknown Error on Unknown and must be shutdown to prevent damage to Unknown.

 

[drtom]

Does your bios pickup both drives When they are connected together?
Yes but the machine won't boot into Windows.
It worked fine just before the reformat. I was able to back up everything on the other drive to it.
On startup I get a momentary blue screen which I think is a stop error but the machine restarts before I can read it.
The computer will boot into Safe Mode and I can see the 2nd HD and contents and transfer data between the 2 HD's.

or try pluggin the slave drive on the secondary ide cable.
Did that with another cable without the slave connector. It didn't register in the BIOS

 

[BadBigBen]

Sounds like both drives have the same Identification number for XP (XP does not go by Drive letter but by ID)...

ie. 3456-xxd4...

I can only suggest you either Reinstall (with Format) or first copy all files over to the C drive using a bootable Linux Distro...



Ben

"If it works don't fix it! If it doesn't use a sledgehammer..."

 

[mainegeek]

drtom,
Did you remember to re-plug the power connector back into the 2nd drive? Easy enough to forget.

If so then, with the second drive still connected go into the bios and set it to NONE. Save and exit

Boot into safe mode and go to device manager.
Renove both drives from the list and reboot.

At boot go back into the bios and set the 2nd drive to AUTO detection or IDE auto detect, which ever your bios has and let ot redetect the drive. Save,exit and let it boot normally.

 

[drtom]

Ben -- Where would I find the drive's ID #? I'm confused with your reference to Linux.

Mainegeek -- In the IBM BIOS I cannot find anyplace where I can set the 2nd HDD to none. Can you give me a clue? If I go into device manager and disable it will that do the same nthing?

 

[mainegeek]

Try removing it from with in device manager. If it is functioning correctly then it should redetect it again on the next reboot.

 

[drtom]

Tried that but it still won't boot. When I go back into safe mode it doesn't detect it.
The drive just came out of another IBM machine so I know it isn't a faulty device. It must be a setting somewhere that isn't right.

 

[drtom]

I shoud mention that I have 3 OS's on the machine, W98, 2K and XPP.
I tried to boot into 2K and came up with this stop error:
stop c000026c unable to load device driver ...system32\i8042prt.sys
error status was 0xc0000221

When I try to boot into W98 it just reboots without the BSOD
I searched the mfg's website (Hitachi) but they don't offer drivers as the drives work with the resident drivers in the OS's.

 

[BadBigBen]

With the added info... FORGET what I had mentioned TOTALLY...

it seems that there is something else going on than what I had thought previously...

1.) have you tried the Data HD (or 2nd HD) on the Secondary IDE Controller?

2.) if both W2k or 98se go through fits, then mostlikely your drive, sorry to say, toast... I would try it in another PC as SLAVE, just to be sure about that one...

3.) Try a NEW 80 wire IDE Cable... could be a broken cable...

PS: about the LINUX, there are Bootable Linux Distros like Knoppix (LiveCD) that boot from a CD-Rom, which can access NTFS and FAT32 File System, and you can copy data to and from HD's... FYI...

Ben

"If it works don't fix it! If it doesn't use a sledgehammer..."

 

[rvnguy]

drtom.

Are you getting the screen to select which OS to load for this session?

If not have you seen this?:

How to create a multiple-boot system in Windows XP

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;306559

Due to your statement:

This morning I reformatted it re-installing XPP...I shoud mention that I have 3 OS's on the machine, W98, 2K and XPP

You stated that the second drive has no OS on it. What order did you install the three OS's in. The link will warn that XP must be the last OS loaded.

There is also a recommendation that each OS be installed to a separate partition. It may work without this but I have always used unique partitions for this.

Hope that this helps in getting you back on track.

Let me know if I am way off base here


rvnguy
"I know everything..I just can't remember it all

 

[drtom]

Ben: Thanks

1.) have you tried the Data HD (or 2nd HD) on the Secondary IDE Controller?
Yes. With jumpers still set as slave and the BIOS doesn't see the HD

2.) if both W2k or 98se go through fits, then mostlikely your drive, sorry to say, toast... I would try it in another PC as SLAVE, just to be sure about that one...
The other OS's won't start either however, I can see and work with the HD in safe mode in XPP

3.) Try a NEW 80 wire IDE Cable... could be a broken cable...
Been there, done that

When I insert the HD in an external USB IDE I can see and work with everything on the drive.
I have also inserted two other HD's in the computer and get the same result.

 

[drtom]

rvnguy: Thanks
"Let me know if I am way off base here"
Yes, my main HD is as follows

C: W98
D: W2K
E: XPP
F: Data
G: DVD
H: CD/RW

When I view the 2nd HDD in safe mode I see
I: Paging
J: Backup

The problem isn't the OS's because I can start each one when this 2nd HD is not connected. It must be a setting within the computer somewhere that won't allow it to boot normally with this drive installed.

 

[drtom]

Is there any chance this could be related to the capability of the power supply?
IBM # FRU 24P6883 -- 185 Watts
Just a thought here, I know nothing about power supply issues.

 

[mainegeek]

drtom,
Try by removing the partition from the 2nd drive. You may have to do this by temporarily disconnecting the the other drive and setting the 2nd one to master.

Once it is removed then switch the drives back and see if you can boot into XP and go to Disk Management and see if it shows. Then partition it from there.

My guess is that your 2nd drive vs. drive letter assignment is conflicting with the Boot.ini on your primary drive.

 

[drtom]

go to Disk Management" -- where would I find that?
I have moved everything off of the 2nd drive so I'm not concerned with starting over from teh beginning.

 

[BadBigBen]

Yes, it could be PSU related, ergo not enough power for the whole system....

The other members have given you good information, as to what to try...

Disk management can be found under the Control Panel applet or by typing in a RunBox (or command line) diskmgmt.msc

it could also be, that the drive is also set as active, which would make the OS's in question, go a bit haywire...



Ben

"If it works don't fix it! If it doesn't use a sledgehammer..."

 

[rvnguy]

drtom,

Thanks for letting me know about being off base, I must have missed that without the 2ndHD you can run normally.

A basic item to look at is the IDE cable:

If an 80 conductor(40pin), many are color coded, some are not. The item to check is, there are three connectors on this cable two that are closer together and one that is farther from the other two. This lonely one should/needs to be the one connected to the mobo slave on the middle one and master on the one remaining. Check for compliance.

From Two of your posts: I am confused

Tried that but it still won't boot.
When I go back into safe mode it doesn't detect it.

When I view the 2nd HDD in safe mode I see
I: Paging
J: Backup

I assume that you can see this drive in safe mode.
Looking at your posts, you stated that "F: is Data" but that when in safe mode it reports it as "Iaging & J:Backup". It is either "F:" or "I: & J:" it cannot be both. Or this could be the root of your problem. Where did you get the F: reference??

From "maingeek" DiskManagement in XP will show and allow you to reassign these drive letters to any that are not in use.

As you can boot to "SafeMode" with the 2nd drive installed, this should not be a major problem. But there is something preventing a normal boot as you have stated.

If all else Fails:

If you are at a point where you are willing to start over(as you stated you have the data backed up), I would enter safemode and write "zeros' to this drive. When completed reboot into BIOS to check that BIOS is recognizing this drive. If an older(really) drive you might have to enter the drive spec's in BIOS. Usually on the drive label i.e. cylinders etc. Once BIOS picks it up either automatically or by entering info then attempt to boot to an OS.

You have a non-formatted drive at this point. If the OS boots as "normal" check in "DiskManagement", not my computer or explorer as it will not be present there, and see if this drive is represented there. If so format it there. And Re-boot & see if the problem has cleared up.

Good Luck





rvnguy
"I know everything..I just can't remember it all