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Canceling an Avaya Maintenance Agreement 3

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phoneguy55

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I want to touch on a subject that has become a big issue for me. Maintenance Agreements. I have multiple sights all will Avaya Equipment. I am in the process of canceling all my maintenance agreements and using my local BP to maintain them. Why? Cost and level of service. My local BP has prices that are 50% or more less than Avaya. Also, they answer my questions and I deal with the same 3 techs every time. When you call Avaya's 800 number, it's a crap shoot. Many of the people answing the phones don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

Anyway....my point. If this is something you are planning on doing, here is what I have learned.

1. Maintenance agreements auto renew every year. So my suggestion is to find out the dates that all maintenace agreements expire so you will be ready on that date. Lets say you have an agreement that expires on Jan 15, 2006. You have from that date to Feb 15, 2006 to cancel. After Feb 15 you are locked into another year.

2. Your name must be on the account in order to cancel. This reqires someone (not you, probably your boss) to send an fax to customer care saying that the contact person on the account has changed. Make shure you do this before you are looking to cancel the account. It takes like 2 weeks or more to get your name onto the account, so during that time you may loose your 30 day window.

3. When you do cancel your maintenance agreement. Make sure you get a conformation number. This is proof that the call was made. Avaya will reqire you to send a fax (on company letter head) will your account #, sold to #, and service contract number. Save it as well as the fax conformation sheet. Also write down the full name of the person you spoke with. Again, more proof.

4. A few days after you cancel your agreement. Avaya will dial into your definity. They will remove all MSP's (Maintenace Service Permissions). This gives you the abablity to troubleshoot. Things like busy and relase require you to have MSP's. Without these you can't do it.

They will also change the dadmin login to prevent someone from modifing the inads, init, and craft login. I belive they do this because they don't want anyone adding or changing their logins or passwords.

I don't care about having craft level access, but do want to keep my MSP's. So the simplest way to keep avaya out is to change the INADS line to a different POTS line. Just be sure to give the new number to your BP as you want them to be able to dial in. If for some reason you do loose your MSP's you need a dadmin login to do things like busy and release, etc.





 
Been there, felt your pain, did the same thing with the Inads port. Only difference is that I am the only maint guy and have no support other than this forum.

TexSan
 
We did the same thing about 6 years or so ago phoneguy55. I would (and have) ask questions that I have here before calling Avaya. The last time I had to call Avaya was on firmware download procedures, because my clan was loosing the link between my Intuity. After speaking with the (new) tier 3 engineers, she told me she would call me for help. She had to go to her team leader and he only gives me the "book" version of how to do it. After a little research and calling another tier 3 that I have dealt with for about 12 years (and taken to dinner twice), was I finally able to put together something that was usable. This also prompted me to put this together for another group. faq690-5976 and faq690-5977 so others would not have to feel the same pain...

TexSan

Feel free post any of your questions here that you need help with. There are many knowledgeable people here that are willing to help.

Nice job on your post phoneguy55. Mikey throws a star at ya...



Mikey
 
Nice post Phoneguy55, but I would like to add that sometimes it is good to keep your agreements,or at least one (your biggest location)... but down to a base level bare bones (to cover telephones from that site or all of your other sites) and having the option of upgrades at a lower cost if you have a big main site and smaller hubs... like in my case I cancelled most of the out agreements on the older pbx's (25 total) and on my 8700 I kept it.. but mostly for the yearly upgrade option..I am slowly moving to have all my remote ends completely off of avaya maintenance (its just to costly and the IP thing is working towards my advantage), still have three to go.. but as for the PITA of cancelling the agreements I couldnt agree more.. make a copy and ask for names and document it to the hilt.. once the billing stops comming in which takes between 30 - 60 days depending where you were on your agreement.. you can always seem to forget some of the particulars.. so its handy to referr back to the documentation...

All in all good post.. many other should heed this post if they are planning on getting rid of the maintenace agrmts.. I would recommend that maybe you post this to the FAQ portion of the forum.

Regards

BoBAz
 
Some other people have mentioned in this forum that even if you disconnect the inads line, Avaya will send a tech out to reconnect it to turn off the permissions. And they also said that the original contract says that they have the right to do this. I am only repeating what have people have said, but I have read this a couple of places on the internet.
I thought that if you had a contract with a Avaya Partner U could have maintenance permissions. But maybe the Partner was just giving their password so the PBX owner could busy and release.
If you do use Avaya TSO in Denver, it is good to get the agent extension number of the good agents when you run into them. Then call them direct and try to avoid the incompentent agents. If that agent doesn't answer, call the next good agent. It is sad, but this puts more stress on the best agents, but what is a person to do when Avaya keeps so many worthless agents at the TSO?
Avaya is hiring Tier 3 straight off the street in the last 4 years, and this is a good thing because they usually have a degree and/or certs in Internet Protocal and such, but it is bad because they usually take a long time, if ever to get to know the basic cover path stuff.
 
I think the renewal of techs is not a bad thing if they have a expert level of troubleshooting. Change is always good BUT not when a customers but is on the line. I have been told many times by my Avaya Sales rep that they still own the software to my system...blah blah and that they will turn off my MSP's. Oct was suppose to be the month...never did nothing. Maybe because I work for a large company...

In the future everything will work...
 
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