I noticed that when I cut a piece of WordArt (fancy type)from Publisher and pasted it into Pagemaker, I could double click on the WordArt and bring up the Microsoft WordArt program. Then the words can be manipulated any way that I can work with them in Publisher, including making words form an arch. Is there any way I can use the WordArt Program in Pagemaker without first cutting and pasting from Publisher? I have always wanted to be able to control type this way in Pagemaker. [sig][/sig]