Building my own pc 5

[dwilko]

I want to build Pc but not sure about if all compants will work together the system I want to build is:

Intel Celeron NetBurst 1.7Ghz Rtl
Skt478 Retail Boxed inc Cooler

256Mb DDR (PC2100) 266

Soltek SL85DRV4 (Skt478)Motherboard

40Gb Maxtor D/Max Plus 8 7200rpm

64Mb XFX Geforce 4MX 420 Rtl
64Mb DDR memory & TV-Out

3.5 Floppy Disk Drive 1.44Mb

Toshiba x16 x48 DVD

Microsoft Intellimouse PS/2

Genius Comfy KB-18M Multimedia
18 Additional Hotkeys & Palm Rest

15inch Proview KX 562NS

Genius SP-G16 320W PMPO (Speakers)

ATX Midi Tower H-01 (300W)

More info about these can be found here

http://prices.cclcomputers.co.uk/pricelists/retailframe.htm

Is there anything I have Missed

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[ceh4702]

Be careful about buying generic memory. Usually it is untested or may not work with your motherboard. Check for a recommended memory list. Crucial is pretty good as far as memory goes, and they have free shipping.

I consider buying a Celeron 1.7 Gig to be a mistake. The celerons for the P4 motherboards only has a 128k meg L2 cache, while most full P4 intels have a 256k, or 512k L2 cache. Try looking at a comparison of prices on

http://www.newegg.com

Also look at the weekly price comparison at:

http://www.anandtech.com

I would bet a 1.5A Gig or 1.8A Gig full Intel P4 processor can blow a celeron out of the water on a benchmark test. Try looking at benchmarks for them at

http://www.tomshardware.com

http://www.anandtech.com

The Celeron 1.7 is not a very good processor trade off for the price if other P4 processors of the same price can run faster! If you do not like my post feel free to point out your opinion or my errors.

 

[paparazi]

But then again an Athlon XP at these lower processor ratings is going to be both cheaper and higher performing, true the P4 Northwoods have it at the higher end but at these middling speeds BANG FOR BUCK! as we all know by now the AMD processor rule.
Something like an XP1600/1700 0n a Via KT333 chipset motherboard, keep the Soltek but the SL-75DRV5, same DDR2100 or even 2700.
Wouldn't touch a GF4 MX420, I would spend the extra $10-$15 and get a MX440 as a budget gaming card.
All your other bit are fine. Martin Please let members know if there advice has helped any.

 

[CitrixEngineer]

Very true - I'd choose an Athlon XP over a Celeron or 400Mhz Pentium 4 any day. Chaintech make a fantastic budget board in the VJ7L Apogee, and I've had good luck with the MSI Ultra series.

For sheer performance, ASUS top more benchmarks than most. On the whole, KT333 or 400-based boards are only a few whiskers away from each other, performance wise, so I'd choose budget/features.

Oh, and don't buy generic memory.

http://www.crucial.com

is not much more expensive - especially given that they do free next day delivery and discounted web prices.

Enough advertising - Kingston and Mushkin are equally good CitrixEngineer@yahoo.co.uk

 

[dwilko]

I don't like AMD's My dad has a AMD processor in has computer and I don't like it Plus the pentium is better at mutitasking So what ever processor I go It will be made by Intel
Thank for warning me about the RAM
paparazi Whats wrong with the GF4 MX420

oh and Please if you could list prices in £'s

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[CitrixEngineer]

quote /"Plus the pentium is better at mutitasking "/ quote

Not true.

Unless you have a good technical reference that validates your statement...

I use an Athlon XP in my main machine, and run many programs on it simultaneously. Of course, "multitasking" on single processor machines is actually time slicing, but that's a mere detail. The Athlon XP will out "multitask" a Celeron or P4 Williamette easily. These are simply poor performing processors for the money.

However, many people prefer Intel - so I won't try to sway your judgement.

Best Regards

CE CitrixEngineer@yahoo.co.uk

 

[ceh4702]

If you want to build an Athlon the older chipsets for athlon like the KT266A is a good chipset. Asus A7V266E was an excellent Athlon Motherboard built on that chipset. The N-FORCE chipsets were also pretty good. They were not too popular because they were made by NVida and were competing against VIA. They were just as expensive as motherboards go around $140.00. However, they can be purchased for around $75.00-$85.00 now. The Asus A7N266 VM was an integrated version with the sound, an ethernet NIC, and the GeforceMX200 built into the motherboard. It had an AGP PORT for those wanting to add their own video cards also.

I like ASUS as a manufacturer of motherboards due to their high quality.

Many people like to buy the PC2100 DDR MEMORY because it is a little less expensive, and not much slower. If you do not like my post feel free to point out your opinion or my errors.

 

[dwilko]

CitrixEngineer It was in a computer mag

Does any one know where I can get cheap P4's in the UK
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[Win98User]

dwilko,
Are you local or buying over the internet from CCL?

Their techies are not your PC World no-nothings - If you want to build a system you could do much worse then to call in and see them or failing that give them a call.

The only thing that stands out as missing is software - Operating system and DVD software would be the 2 that immediately spring out considering your choice.

If you have an old system that you are getting rid of (or some such), take the floppy drive out and save a few quid) A floppy drive shouldn't be bought if the budget is that tight - you can always put one in at a later date.

I get the feeling your gearing up for gaming - if so, and you are on a tight budget, I would suggest going for the 30gb maxtor and putting the money saved towards the 17" monitor. Personal choice - but bigger isn't always best, nor does faster mean it is the fastest - PC tech is a quagmire to get through not something to take at face value.

(why do personal opinions come across as lectures, I don't mean them to be).

As for AMD versus P4, again it must be personal choice - I use an AMD Thunderbird 1.Ghz at home and a P4 1.6Ghz at work, the difference is lost on me.

As for multi-tasking - If a computer mag said the P4 was better at multi-tasking than AMD chips you can bet that they were being sponsored.

 

[Win98User]

*AMD Thunderbird 1.3Ghz

 

[dwilko]

I will Be buying from CCL usless there is some where I can get them cheaper

The mag was from when the AMD's where just came out ________________________________________
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[CitrixEngineer]

quote /"The mag was from when the AMD's where just came out" /quote

Considering that the first AMD chips were 386 (someone correct me if they produced earlier chips), and early AMD K5's could not compete with pentiums due to AMDs reliance on the 80387 co-processor, I think you should update your sources and do a little research on how good AMD have become over the last 7 or 8 years!

Just some friendly advice CitrixEngineer@yahoo.co.uk

 

[dwilko]

it was about 2 years ago when i read it

Does any know of any sites where I could get cheap computer parts from

I could do with finding somewere where I can get cheap monitors ________________________________________
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[paparazi]

dwilko,
Yours is a common misconception that Intels are better than AMD's.
From the introduction of the K7 (Athlons and then Durons) about two and a half years ago at a guess, firstly the Pentium 3 and then the P4 were well and truely being beaten clock for clock, and on price, in the reliability stakes there has never been any proven differances in break downs etc.
Die hard Intel fans just could not and cannot accept that there was and is a credible alternative to the monopoly that is INTEL.
Intels bubble well and truely got burst but "die hard Intel users still perpetuate the myths that Intel is better.
Your arguement is further weakened when you talk about the Celeron, because as you know it has always played a very weak second fiddle to both the P3 and then the P4, so when compared to a fully fledged XP processor the Celeron is but a boy compared to a fully grown man. Sorry, FACT NOT FICTION.
True, now the Northwood P4's are out they are marginally outperforming the high end XP's but remember AMD have been winning all the battles for the last two years! so they have got to let Intel win sometimes. Martin Please let members know if there advice has helped any.

 

[mainegeek]

My first AMD was the K5. Prior to that it was all Intel with the exception of one Cyrix. I have been alternating upgrades over the years between Intel and AMD. The last couple of years have all been AMD. I have been running an
XP 2000+ on an ASUS A7N266-VM for a while now and I know
that AMD is where it's at for me. If you were to go with an AMD vs. P4 the savings could be put towards upgrading or adding something else.

 

[dwilko]

Look nothing anyone say's will make me go for an AMD I am staying with Intel
so stop trying

Does anyone know where I can get Good cheap Monitors, Speakers, MotherBoard's Video Cards and thing like that

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[craigey]

try

http://www.scan.co.uk

 

[stevelaing]

if u want to see the diffrence go to

http://www.tomshardware.com

and download thg_cpu_cooling.avi
and see the diffrence between a intel / amd / pentium
very good and very funny

steve laing

 

[jtb]

The differences between CPUs work out to the same emotional stresses as protestants versus UDFs, catholics vs. provos, and moslems vs al quaeda...

Each group views itself as the former and the other groups as the latter... No one is going to get anyone to like "the other side" until they marry one or they get used to it before they find out what it is...

As far as building a box from components, it's a good exercise for building PC skills and patience; but for real-world supportable systems, it's better going with a Dell or a Compaq or [insert your favorite big name here] because the components are less likely to hate each other on sight...

JTB
Solutions Architect
MCSE-NT4, MCP+I, MCP-W2K, CCNA, CCDA,
CTE, MCIWD, i-Net+, Network+
(MCSA, MCSE-W2K, MCIWA, SCSA, SCNA in progress)

 

[Grenage]

Aye, I was a solid intel fan especially with the Celerons that you could OC to twice their speed, but thats another matter. The majority of the Intel fans seem to be under the illusion that Intel is a solid quality brand and AMD is cheap and cheerful. This really is not true anymore especially with the improved chipsets and support manufacturers are giving out. AMD are on Par, and occasionally superior to Intel imho but it's down to personal preference if you want to spend a lot more money for a product that really isnt any better.

I myself use Intel because I prefer the chipsets, but thats personal choice