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Audix - Which Unix is it on?
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scottyjohn
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Mmm not sure but our definity audix sits on "Unixware" which I had explained to me as being a stripped down version of core unix.
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AvayaNovice
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Audix (as i recall) is on System V for some releases, and Linux for later releases. System V is not a SCO product. These are all based off of the original AT&T UNIX releases, so as not to have too many problems with licensing.
The new releases of both MediaServer and Audix/Intuity (although the Audix voicemail system will be phased out) are all running on Linux, although from what I hear when talking to some Tier 3 guys, it's going to be the same.
The new releases of both MediaServer and Audix/Intuity (although the Audix voicemail system will be phased out) are all running on Linux, although from what I hear when talking to some Tier 3 guys, it's going to be the same.
AvayaNovice
Vendor
Never worked with Novell products, couldn't tell you. Good luck though! Tell us how it goes.
AvayaNovice
Vendor
Hmmm, going to have to say no to that one. Where are you getting that information? SCO, which (if I remember correctly) meant the santa cruz operation, not sure if that's right though. And SCO's UNIX platform was based off of System V. Novell, I don't know if they even HAVE a UNIX platform, and if they do, it has no connection to SCO, furthermore, "UNIX" doesn't belong to anyone other than AT&T who came up with it in the first place.
Novel may make a POSIX compatible operating system; however, I don't believe it relates to SCO.
Maybe I'm wrong though, if so -- let me know on where you got that information.
Novel may make a POSIX compatible operating system; however, I don't believe it relates to SCO.
Maybe I'm wrong though, if so -- let me know on where you got that information.
Avayanovice you really do need to get facts before making statements. Here is an excerpt from an eweek news article that will give you a bit of history about unix.
But Novell spokesman Bruce Lowry told eWEEK on Thursday that the statements made by SCO in its 10-K filing were accurate. The SVRx component of Novell's deal with SCO related to the existing Unix licensees Novell had acquired when it bought the Unix licenses from AT&T. When Novell entered into its agreement with the Santa Cruz Operation, it specifically retained these customers and the revenue that flowed from them.
Now that should show you that the unix system went from AT&t to Novell then to SCO.
But Novell spokesman Bruce Lowry told eWEEK on Thursday that the statements made by SCO in its 10-K filing were accurate. The SVRx component of Novell's deal with SCO related to the existing Unix licensees Novell had acquired when it bought the Unix licenses from AT&T. When Novell entered into its agreement with the Santa Cruz Operation, it specifically retained these customers and the revenue that flowed from them.
Now that should show you that the unix system went from AT&t to Novell then to SCO.
AvayaNovice
Vendor
Bob, no need to get hostile. I do have my facts straight.
Novell bought licenses from AT&T so it could develop its UNIX platform. Any commercially available version of UNIX that's based off AT&T's original releases had to acquire these licenses as well.
And as I stated before, Novell does have a POSIX compatible OS, but it's not based off of anything relating to SCO's UNIX releases. Novell and SCO 5 years ago weren't even a connected entity.
But then again, maybe I'm wrong.
I've been working with SCO UNIX since about 1995 or 1996. Novell Netware, which was their flagship product... was a loose interpretation of UNIX. The SCO group was a spinoff from some original work done at UCSC and UC Berkley.
I'm just trying to get the correct information out...
UNIX belongs to no one other than AT&T. Novell is not the patent holder, owner, or registered trademark owner of the term UNIX or anything belonging to it. Novell has licenses to use the original UNIX core with its own software, just as SCO, Sun, SGI, and many other companies have.
Novell bought licenses from AT&T so it could develop its UNIX platform. Any commercially available version of UNIX that's based off AT&T's original releases had to acquire these licenses as well.
And as I stated before, Novell does have a POSIX compatible OS, but it's not based off of anything relating to SCO's UNIX releases. Novell and SCO 5 years ago weren't even a connected entity.
But then again, maybe I'm wrong.
I've been working with SCO UNIX since about 1995 or 1996. Novell Netware, which was their flagship product... was a loose interpretation of UNIX. The SCO group was a spinoff from some original work done at UCSC and UC Berkley.
I'm just trying to get the correct information out...
UNIX belongs to no one other than AT&T. Novell is not the patent holder, owner, or registered trademark owner of the term UNIX or anything belonging to it. Novell has licenses to use the original UNIX core with its own software, just as SCO, Sun, SGI, and many other companies have.
AvayaNovice
Vendor
After some more research...
What you're looking at in those articles is the UnixWare platform, which is completely independent of all of this. That's a flavor, not the core.
Furthermore... this whole entire novell sold unix to SCO business... that's some whacked out contract that isn't even being claimed as official.
The rights and patents they're selling are also being disputed by bell labs...
So back to my original point: SCO's UNIX platforms are based off the original AT&T unix releases. The rights they are trying to buy/bought/whatever from Novell are for UnixWare, which is a seperate platform.
Sorry if I'm getting a little touchy... but I'm pretty familiar with UNIX.
What you're looking at in those articles is the UnixWare platform, which is completely independent of all of this. That's a flavor, not the core.
Furthermore... this whole entire novell sold unix to SCO business... that's some whacked out contract that isn't even being claimed as official.
The rights and patents they're selling are also being disputed by bell labs...
So back to my original point: SCO's UNIX platforms are based off the original AT&T unix releases. The rights they are trying to buy/bought/whatever from Novell are for UnixWare, which is a seperate platform.
Sorry if I'm getting a little touchy... but I'm pretty familiar with UNIX.
Just to add my 2cents... I believe you are confusing Unix and Unix System 5 Code. Check out this excerpt from the article at
It's true that Lindon-based SCO is the owner of the Unix System V code, which was originally developed by AT&T. As such, SCO is the source that companies must go to in order to use System V code, as many vendors, including IBM, have done to develop their own flavors of Unix. Of course, the big news in the Unix and Linux communities for the past several weeks has been SCO's allegation that IBM not only used System V code to build AIX, as it was allowed to do, but that it also donated some of this proprietary code to the open-source community, in an effort to make Linux a stronger operating system -- and thus bolster the computer giant's Linux-based business. IBM denies the charges.
What's been missing from the discussion is the fact that, while SCO may be the current owner of the System V code, SCO does not own the Unix trademark and specification. These are the property of the Open Group, a San Francisco-based nonprofit standards organization. This ownership gives the Open Group the power to decide which products can be labeled "Unix" (and not all of these, incidentally, are based on System V code).
IPSI
It's true that Lindon-based SCO is the owner of the Unix System V code, which was originally developed by AT&T. As such, SCO is the source that companies must go to in order to use System V code, as many vendors, including IBM, have done to develop their own flavors of Unix. Of course, the big news in the Unix and Linux communities for the past several weeks has been SCO's allegation that IBM not only used System V code to build AIX, as it was allowed to do, but that it also donated some of this proprietary code to the open-source community, in an effort to make Linux a stronger operating system -- and thus bolster the computer giant's Linux-based business. IBM denies the charges.
What's been missing from the discussion is the fact that, while SCO may be the current owner of the System V code, SCO does not own the Unix trademark and specification. These are the property of the Open Group, a San Francisco-based nonprofit standards organization. This ownership gives the Open Group the power to decide which products can be labeled "Unix" (and not all of these, incidentally, are based on System V code).
IPSI
AvayaNovice
Vendor
And after even MORE research.
Scratch all of this.
AT&T sold UNIX SYSTEM V (later turned into UnixWare after Novell bought the System V lab from At&T in 1993) to Novell. Novell/SCO are fighting over Unix System V. SCO's UNIX platform existed BEFORE this purchase from Novell.
Neither Novell or SCO own UNIX at all.
The Open Group owns UNIX and has for a very long time.
Read this except from opengroup.org
Who owns UNIX® ?
You may have seen recent press articles announcing that SCO is the owner of UNIX or has licensed UNIX to Microsoft. Such statements are inaccurate, misleading and cause considerable confusion. The Open Group has owned the registered trademark UNIX since 1994. Here is what we said in response to a Linux Weekly News article last week. Also available is a backgrounder that explains the history and reasons why The Open Group takes action on trademark misuse.
So there you have it.
Are my facts straight enough?
Scratch all of this.
AT&T sold UNIX SYSTEM V (later turned into UnixWare after Novell bought the System V lab from At&T in 1993) to Novell. Novell/SCO are fighting over Unix System V. SCO's UNIX platform existed BEFORE this purchase from Novell.
Neither Novell or SCO own UNIX at all.
The Open Group owns UNIX and has for a very long time.
Read this except from opengroup.org
Who owns UNIX® ?
You may have seen recent press articles announcing that SCO is the owner of UNIX or has licensed UNIX to Microsoft. Such statements are inaccurate, misleading and cause considerable confusion. The Open Group has owned the registered trademark UNIX since 1994. Here is what we said in response to a Linux Weekly News article last week. Also available is a backgrounder that explains the history and reasons why The Open Group takes action on trademark misuse.
So there you have it.
Are my facts straight enough?
AvayaNovice
Vendor
IPSI got to it before I did... I was writing my post when he submitted that.
Thanks IPSI.
Thanks IPSI.
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