Looks like marketingtools now has a r8.1 pull down selection although you can select it the information appears to be linked to r8 database

There is an 8.1 selection on the support site for downloads as well but it is blank. Last I read the target GA was the end of this week but who knows.

Kyle Holladay / IPOfficeHelp.com
ACSS/ACIS/APSS Avaya SME Communications
APDS Avaya Data
MCP/MCTS Exchange 2007/2010
Adtran ATSA, Aruba ACMA

"Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable reason why so few engage in it." - Henry Ford

They need to ramp up production of those V2 VCM cards first, to get the cash rolling in upon release

i heard july 9th was the "new" release date.

Kevin Wing
ACSS Small and Medium Enterprise (SME) Communications
ACS- Implement IP Office
ACA- Implement IP Office
Carousel Industries

same new date as the samsung galaxy s3.

I'm playing with 8.1 on some of that fancy new hardware. It's kinda lame, but cool at the same time.

-Austin
ACE: Implement IP Office

8.1 wont make end of month.

ACSS - SME
General Geek

What is new with the VCM V2, anything? Other than no free IP End Point Licenses?

ACA:Implement - IP Office
ACS:Implement - IP Office

There is nothing different then the endpoints.

BAZINGA!

I'm not insane, my mother had me tested!

Tight gets

There is "fancy new hardware" in 8.1? What is it? All I saw was the v2 VCM cards.

Kyle Holladay / IPOfficeHelp.com
ACSS/ACIS/APSS Avaya SME Communications
APDS Avaya Data
MCP/MCTS Exchange 2007/2010
Adtran ATSA, Aruba ACMA

"Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable reason why so few engage in it." - Henry Ford

The server I guess

I think the server edition too.
It is no secret anymore, it is all in the 8.1 update doc on the partner portal.

BAZINGA!

I'm not insane, my mother had me tested!

Oh the server edition. Yea lost all excitement about that they day they told me it was not supported on virtual machines. Some how having to go back to a years outdated model of buying a server for a dedicated appliation does not have ring as "fancy" to me.

Kyle Holladay / IPOfficeHelp.com
ACSS/ACIS/APSS Avaya SME Communications
APDS Avaya Data
MCP/MCTS Exchange 2007/2010
Adtran ATSA, Aruba ACMA

"Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable reason why so few engage in it." - Henry Ford

I just hope that they don't drop the ball AGAIN on basic features and functions again because surely I am fed up with that crap.
Have to spend more time fixing their firmware without being able to bill for time than actually installing the system and also having the customer breath down my neck ready to rip out the new and "improved" system that doesn't work right.

Enough of the bitching, let's jope that someone tested basics this time.
(Paging on analog port when the analog port is in a group, caller ID on analog trunks, upgrading during the entitlement phase, voice quality on the speaker phones, and then some I can't think of)

Joe W.

FHandw, ACSS

Well I dropped out of the server testing after hearing that so all of the hammering around on it that we normally do for Avaya didn't happen.

Kyle Holladay / IPOfficeHelp.com
ACSS/ACIS/APSS Avaya SME Communications
APDS Avaya Data
MCP/MCTS Exchange 2007/2010
Adtran ATSA, Aruba ACMA

"Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable reason why so few engage in it." - Henry Ford

Let's see how successful the mid size market is with the IPO.
These are higher demand customers that want 24/7 functionality 365 days a year and reboots to make a line change are not very well received. Aura is a good solid product with lots of redundancy and they are trying to achieve similar results with the IPO but forcing it out the door can cost dearly as we have seen in the past (R4.0 debacle and also R8.0 hickups)
I am looking forward to installing R8.0 for a while until they get R8.1 cleaned up with the first maint release or maybe the second one.
Of course I will run it at home with 8.1 as soon as it comes out just to make sure I fall within the 90 day period to be able to upgrade and also play with all the new things, which are not a lot.

Joe W.

FHandw, ACSS

Kyle, virtual is on the roadmap.
There is already a license for it.

BAZINGA!

I'm not insane, my mother had me tested!

the next step is the cloud based IPO then we are really in trouble

Joe W.

FHandw, ACSS

I've been told the new release date for 8.1 is now August 1st.

Has anyone else heard anything along those lines?

Yes Peter "on the roadmap" is great. But this particular market segment is primed for virtualization and having to go back in time to accomodate some outdated licensing mechanism doesn't sit well with me.

Kyle Holladay / IPOfficeHelp.com
ACSS/ACIS/APSS Avaya SME Communications
APDS Avaya Data
MCP/MCTS Exchange 2007/2010
Adtran ATSA, Aruba ACMA

"Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable reason why so few engage in it." - Henry Ford

I know and i told then that too (different words)
Mitel can do it too and way better (a virtual Mitel 3300 needs only 512Mb of memory instead of 12 Gb)

BAZINGA!

I'm not insane, my mother had me tested!

Large RAM requirements = Bad coding/programming, see CCR for details

I think Avaya choose to run everything in ram and Mitel on a disk.
But most ram is used for One-X Portal with 200 users.
But our server runs with the IPO, VMPro and a couple of 1XP users on about 3,5Gb of ram.
It is a choice and i think running everything in the ram memory is not a bad idea at all.

BAZINGA!

I'm not insane, my mother had me tested!

For those that want to run an IPO server in a virtual machine can i remind you othr the old proverb regarding eggs & baskets

this is not a application I would want to virtualise unless absolutly necessary.

A Maintenance contract is essential, not a Luxury.
Do things on the cheap & it will cost you dear

Then you have absolutely no concept of modern virtualization. You're telling me that if I have a multi server cluster using vSphere and Fault Tolerance where live shadow copies of all my virtual machines are kept on multiple physical servers that there is some alternate and amazing technology that would make using a single server more reliable? You are telling me that if I have VMware with high availability that somehow a single dedicated server is going to provide me with a higher level of reliability? Or if I add vMotion and have the ability to move a virtual machine from one physical server to another because of expected down time that somehow that single server you suggest puts less of my proverbial eggs in the same basket?

Kyle Holladay / IPOfficeHelp.com
ACSS/ACIS/APSS Avaya SME Communications
APDS Avaya Data
MCP/MCTS Exchange 2007/2010
Adtran ATSA, Aruba ACMA

"Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable reason why so few engage in it." - Henry Ford

Don't compare Avaya with Mitel, you'll break my heart.....

In the Avaya CM environment when High Availabilty is needed then you are drowning in the added servers, for each service a minimum of two servers is needed.

They could better walk the way Kyle suggest, that is a whole lot more reliable as adding single mirror servers running for no use ( normally ) and consuming a lot of expensive energy. A well setup VMware solution will reduce down time to a absolute minimum (if any) and energy consuption will be far less.

If it ain't dutch it ain't much

Sorry that i broke your heart
It was just an example that a Mitel system can do good things too
They have a awful way of programming but do have a good visualization system.

If you want to add a pbx then you select the software version you want and it builds one for you.
Avaya should think of that if they don't want to loose a large part of the market.

BAZINGA!

I'm not insane, my mother had me tested!

WQhat meant was if the hardware running the virtual servers fails (mother board failure is not unheard of) then you have lost all of your servers.
at least with separate hardware you only loose one server (either your data server or your VM server) not all of them

you example was using a multi server cluster, much better as when one server fails the other(s) take on the load of all the roles.

A Maintenance contract is essential, not a Luxury.
Do things on the cheap & it will cost you dear