Smart questions
Smart answers
Smart people
INTELLIGENT WORK FORUMS
FOR COMPUTER PROFESSIONALS

Member Login

Come Join Us!

Are you a
Computer / IT professional?
Join Tek-Tips now!
  • Talk With Other Members
  • Be Notified Of Responses
    To Your Posts
  • Keyword Search
  • One-Click Access To Your
    Favorite Forums
  • Automated Signatures
    On Your Posts
  • Best Of All, It's Free!

Join Tek-Tips
*Tek-Tips's functionality depends on members receiving e-mail. By joining you are opting in to receive e-mail.

LINK TO THIS FORUM!

Add Stickiness To Your Site By Linking To This Professionally Managed Technical Forum.
Just copy and paste the
code below into your site.

Partner With Us!

"Best Of Breed" Forums Add Stickiness To Your Site
Partner Button
(Download This Button Today!)

Feedback

"...love the site and am constantly recommending it to (selected !) clients here in ireland..."

Geography

Where in the world do Tek-Tips members come from?
LFCfan (Programmer)
30 May 11 9:22
(Not quite modern grammar, but I have no doubt that someone on MAI will know the answer!)

Does anyone know whether the two are interchangeable in Middle English, or whether there are rules deciding when you'd use one over the other?

I'm struggling to google this, all that comes up is biblical references! I found a post on a (non grammar related) forum that said '"shall" is not second person singular in medieval English.', but of course one cannot trust everything one reads on the internet ;)

Many thanks!

~LFCfan
Short stories, mainly in fantasy/SF settings.
Come along and tell me what you think of the worlds I build!

CajunCenturion (Programmer)
30 May 11 10:47
==> the two are interchangeable in Middle English
In Middle English?  Granted I am not an expert on ME, but I would say no, they are not.  Shalt is/was only valid for 2nd person singular, and shall was used for all other tenses and/or number.  The 2nd person singular reference is on the right track, but it's not about when 'shall' should not be used, but rather, when 'shalt' may be used.

I shall not go the store.  You (singular) shalt not go do the story.  You (plural) shall not go the store.  We shall not go to the store.

Technically, I guess the rule still applies, but shalt has gone by the way of other archaic terms.  If you really want to use shalt, then I would continue to use it only in 2nd person singular.


--------------
Good Luck
To get the most from your Tek-Tips experience, please read
FAQ181-2886: How can I maximize my chances of getting an answer?
Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools because they have to say something.  - Plato
BadBigBen (MIS)
30 May 11 12:19
See:

H.W. Fowler (1858–1933).  The King's English, 2nd ed.  1908.
http://www.bartleby.com/116/213.html

Ben
"If it works don't fix it! If it doesn't use a sledgehammer..."
How to ask a question, when posting them to a professional forum.
Only ask questions with yes/no answers if you want "yes" or "no"

LFCfan (Programmer)
30 May 11 13:20
Thanks both.

I saw it used (seemingly) interchangeably in a poem, and I was confused.

Quote:


...For thou shalt not kill, woman,
but thou shall be maimed
...

I am the first to admit I know nothing of poetry so it's probably there on purpose for whatever reason!

~LFCfan
Short stories, mainly in fantasy/SF settings.
Come along and tell me what you think of the worlds I build!

Reply To This Thread

Posting in the Tek-Tips forums is a member-only feature.

Click Here to join Tek-Tips and talk with other members!

Close Box

Join Tek-Tips® Today!

Join your peers on the Internet's largest technical computer professional community.
It's easy to join and it's free.

Here's Why Members Love Tek-Tips Forums:

Register now while it's still free!

Already a member? Close this window and log in.

Join Us             Close