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mossman68 (TechnicalUser) (OP)
18 May 10 21:43
Can i use my cat5 jacks for the 18d phones. All lines go to a patch bay. Wired as 568b will it pass my phone(l1) and fax(l2) on the blu and orng pair if patched through to the phone ext ports on the partner system.
TouchToneTommy (Vendor)
18 May 10 22:23
Yup, it's a perfect match
SYQUEST (TechnicalUser)
19 May 10 5:50
Actually, on 568B wiring the Partner is using the Blue and Green pairs, not Orange! On the 8-position Modular Jack, the Blue pair is on contacts 4 and 5, and the Green pair is on contacts 3 and 6.

Hope that clarifies the wiring.

....JIM....
 
mossman68 (TechnicalUser) (OP)
19 May 10 6:23
Thanx guys and yes grn and blu pair. So i could run actually 4 lines off my cat5, correct. How do i break it out at the user end, splitter? Also how does the main partner unit ty into the voicemail box. I hate to sound stupid but this is another case of being thrown to the wolves.
Textron68 (Programmer)
19 May 10 7:20
For analog devices you only need the blue pair.  If by voice mail box if you are talking about a standard analog home answering machine, than you just need the blue pair.  If it's a multi-line external voice mail, than one extension per voice mail port.
TouchToneTommy (Vendor)
19 May 10 10:49
But if you're going to use your Cat5e infrastructure, and you have Cat5 jacks and a patch bay, you don't break out pairs for varying devices - you patch from station ports on the Partner to the patch bay (patch panel) and plug your telephone or other device into the jack at the workstation end. If you don't have enough jacks in a particular location, you pull additional Cat5's.
mossman68 (TechnicalUser) (OP)
19 May 10 10:52
Actually the system i inherited is a partner acs r8 with extension module and 2 slot carrier. How does the main module talk to the extension module? Do all 18d phones hook up to the extension module or the main module. I will have 3 phone lines, 2 for talk 1 for fax. I now know that the two center pairs on my cat5 will handle both lines to each phone. the fax will be patched separately to its own jack. Does this sound right? i cant seem to find any instruction manuals or picture diagrams for a basic hook up.
Thx
TouchToneTommy (Vendor)
19 May 10 11:02
Go to support.avaya.com to download the manual for your system, for free. The main ACS module connects the first 9 telephones (and/or faxes, modems, conference speakerphones, postage machines, etc.), and the first 5 outside telephone lines (voice, fax, whatever). The backplane of the carrier makes the electronic connection between the modules.

If is through programming that you make the lines appear at the phones or other devices, and also set the access and ringing parameters.
 
SYQUEST (TechnicalUser)
19 May 10 12:55
When you have a structured wiring system, like yours with a patch panel and CAT jacks installed in that fashion, the only proper way other than adding more cable and jacks, is to use splitters, adapters, and special patch cords to breakout individual pairs needed for other devices, depending on quantity of pairs needed for location or devices. The use of splitters and/or adapters, avoids destroying the structured wiring footprint and standard. That way it can serve both phone and data, unless you have other preferences.

....JIM....
 
mossman68 (TechnicalUser) (OP)
19 May 10 21:14
Just so i understand, the partner system has rj11 3pr jacks on the acs and the phones ,is each pair a separate line? The phones come shipped with 2pr rj11 but the acs partner frame ships with 1pr rj11, yet both have 3pr capability. How many conductors do the phones require for a 4 line system. i don't get how 3 separate lines can ring to one phone on one pair. Please help.
TouchToneTommy (Vendor)
19 May 10 21:57
Dude! Download that manual, and have a look at it!

The phones and the ports on the modules have 8 position jacks. The lines cords that come with them are 4 conductor, but they fit into 8-conductor jacks. It only uses those 2 pairs, no matter how many outside lines you have.

The center pair carries the audio. The pair surrounding that carries data back and forth to the control unit, to drive the lights and display, and to communicate what buttons you are pressing.

Now the concept is the way any phone system operates. The outside lines connect into line ports on the control unit. The phones connect to extension ports. Inside of the contol unit is a switching matrix (sometimes called a switching fabric) that can connect any outside line to any extension.

So you press Line 1, and the control unit sends that line to your extension. Press Line 3, and it sends that line down the same wires as before to your extension.

Based on what you are posting, you either need to call in a professional, or do some serious woodshedding!

 
Textron68 (Programmer)
19 May 10 22:16
The single pair that ships with the control unit are for connecting the lines into the system.  The partner phones can be shipped with a two pair cord.  Center pair is analog audio path, the second pair is used for power/signaling.  You can use a standard single pair rj11 for fax, answering machine or modem.  Lines are assigned to sets through programming.  Don't think of the phone cords as two-line cords, think of them as audio and control.
LkEErie (Vendor)
20 May 10 8:19
The reason for a SYSTEM and special phones is so that the system can control the multiple lines.  There are systems that have only one pair to the phones and you can control 20 or 24 lines.  A Partner uses 2 pairs to control a phone the voice pair and the data pair.  By default, when you first plug in the controller, it has access to 31 lines.  You tell it in programming (104) how many you're using and the system does its magic (oops wrong product smile

BTW the "jacks" are 6-pin USOC modular jacks.  They are designated RJ-11/14/25 depending on the number of pairs used.  Partners actually have 8-pin jacks on the unit and use the center pins for voice and data..it made them backward compatible with the Merlin systems cabling.  They ship with 2 pin base cords for the lines.

LkEErie

 

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