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Gardener1 (IS/IT--Management) (OP)
9 Jul 09 9:18
I am deploying 10 Pano Logic devices on our network for proof of concept reason the devices are working fine, however backing up this system is proving to be very costly, just to purchase the software your talking thousand of dollars, i was wondering instead of backing the VMWare server up if I buy another server and have an exact copy of all the data from the other server on it. this would serve two purposes 1. no recovery time. 2. cost savings. One problem does anyone know of a method to have two VMWare ESXi servers if one goes down the other can with the flick of a switch take over? all of the software from VMWare cost to much money (vShere witch has vMotion cost to much money).
unclerico (IS/IT--Management)
9 Jul 09 9:58
It depends on what exactly you are trying to replicate. Databases?? File Shares??  

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Gardener1 (IS/IT--Management) (OP)
9 Jul 09 12:16

I would like to replicate the entire VMWare ESXi v3 server to another ESXi v3 server if one goes down the other takes over. do you know of a way to do this?  
pagy (TechnicalUser)
9 Jul 09 12:59
What about using VMWare High Availability??


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Gardener1 (IS/IT--Management) (OP)
9 Jul 09 13:04
For $3K per site I would like to use some other way VMWare has become to costly to use.
SimonDavies (MIS)
10 Jul 09 11:47
I do wonder if it will work for ESXi tho, it is after all a free Virtualisation product from ESX, if you want Enterprise capable Virtualisation you really need to pay for it.

Add to the fact that you can't manage the ESXi box from a centralised management point (ala V-Center) without buying the licence for that.

If you want HA you are going to have to pay for it somehow, whether it's done via Doubletake or VMware themselves.

I also mentioned in the VMware forum that you could always use VCB to do backups via BE (which is your current backup medium) but again that's going to cost unless you want to do it all via scripts (using the VI plugin for BE will be a lot easier).

VI should never be seen as the cheap alternative to physical hardware because it's not, you have to ensure you have plenty of ram\cpu horsepower\ storage etc, more than a normal server would have (our ESX nodes all have 64gb of ram, that's approx £30,000 of ram alone).

Oh and fyi both ESX 3.5 and vSphere have V-Motion, infact ESXi has it... once you purchase the license for it.

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SimonDavies (MIS)
10 Jul 09 11:49
Oh and VDI (now called VMware View) is all about Virtual Desktops (Virtual Desktop Infrastructure), it's about having dumb terminals and the OS and processing done on the ESX server.


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Gardener1 (IS/IT--Management) (OP)
10 Jul 09 12:02
Simon the Pano devices we have setup are all working on the free version of ESXi the problem with not using vShere is that we cannot create groups so all computer are using one image and we have to setup the verious software that the different users use. If we had vShere we would have HA, vMotion, and would be able to create image groups and control who has access to the different groups.

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